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The first example about the guy looking for "fail videos where people get a little hurt" is a strange anecdote to open with for this campaign. > Let’s send a m

The first example about the guy looking for "fail videos where people get a little hurt" is a strange anecdote to open with for this campaign. > Let’s send a message to YouTube that they need to recommend responsibly... I don't think there's such a thing as responsible recommendation at the scale YouTube operates at. At least not in the way people think by responsible anyway.

Relys 7y ago
I think he phrased it weirdly. Should have made a comparison to Americas Funniest Home Videos.
jxramos 7y ago
I think it was a neutral opening to the matter they want to bring up that should hold recognizable substance in pattern to folks who've experienced the YouTube recommendation blackholes. Things get more "controversial" the further along in their examples, which would probably turn off people from reading further if hit with that stuff right off the bat.
hootbootscoot 7y ago
Sure there is: Recommend videos with topics related to previously viewed videos. Ratings. While there will be borderline cases, it's pretty clear that "death and dismemberment" content should not follow a childrens train cartoon. Oh I know, "censorship!" etc... but at Googles scale, as you point out, what else shall we do? I do rather throw that ball back into your court. At that scale, they are regulatable :D
- michannne 7y ago
  This is what they are already doing.. The key to your statement is the word "related". How do you determine whether two pieces of content are related? Because Youtube has found a way which works for them and seems to work in the majority of cases.
  - spion 7y ago
    They are clearly failing, so they should leave space (API or similar) for users to pick their own curation and filtering companies of choice.
    - have_faith 7y ago
      > They are clearly failing Do we know that to be true? failing for what percentage of the user base? it's obviously imperfect.
spion 7y ago
We need a radical change in the way recommendation systems work. They should always be designed in a way so that they are controllable, trainable and customizeable by consumer (or responsible guardian) input. We need to be able to interface with that aspect of the web instead of having a black box shove stuff into our throats.
- UnFleshedOne 7y ago
  Even a simple way to blacklist channels, videos and keywords would be great. There is a "not interested" item in context menu, but it doesn't seem to work very well...
blueboo 7y ago
I see: if you're a big enough operation, you can't be held responsible because responsible behavior is just kind of inconveniently costly. Eventually, you serve the tools instead of building them...
- have_faith 7y ago
  > if you're a big enough operation, you can't be held responsible It's not irresponsible because people see videos they would rather not. It would be irresponsible if someone logged in to a child's account and see's something inappropriate, and it would be irresponsible to continuously allow illegal videos to stay up (both of these cases happen and need addressing). But saying your preferences don't align with how they determine content to be similar to each other doesn't make it irresponsible. Catering to preferences like that is not a responsibility. It might make the product better or worse for you if they don't, but it's not an obligation.
rasz 7y ago
Someone subconsciously channeled Idiocracy, "All I wanted was to watch some OW BY BALLS".

Relys 7y ago

I think he phrased it weirdly. Should have made a comparison to Americas Funniest Home Videos.

jxramos 7y ago

I think it was a neutral opening to the matter they want to bring up that should hold recognizable substance in pattern to folks who've experienced the YouTube recommendation blackholes. Things get more "controversial" the further along in their examples, which would probably turn off people from reading further if hit with that stuff right off the bat.

hootbootscoot 7y ago

Sure there is: Recommend videos with topics related to previously viewed videos. Ratings. While there will be borderline cases, it's pretty clear that "death and dismemberment" content should not follow a childrens train cartoon. Oh I know, "censorship!" etc... but at Googles scale, as you point out, what else shall we do? I do rather throw that ball back into your court. At that scale, they are regulatable :D

michannne 7y ago
This is what they are already doing.. The key to your statement is the word "related". How do you determine whether two pieces of content are related? Because Youtube has found a way which works for them and seems to work in the majority of cases.
- spion 7y ago
  They are clearly failing, so they should leave space (API or similar) for users to pick their own curation and filtering companies of choice.
  - have_faith 7y ago
    > They are clearly failing Do we know that to be true? failing for what percentage of the user base? it's obviously imperfect.

spion 7y ago

We need a radical change in the way recommendation systems work. They should always be designed in a way so that they are controllable, trainable and customizeable by consumer (or responsible guardian) input. We need to be able to interface with that aspect of the web instead of having a black box shove stuff into our throats.

UnFleshedOne 7y ago
Even a simple way to blacklist channels, videos and keywords would be great. There is a "not interested" item in context menu, but it doesn't seem to work very well...

blueboo 7y ago

I see: if you're a big enough operation, you can't be held responsible because responsible behavior is just kind of inconveniently costly. Eventually, you serve the tools instead of building them...

have_faith 7y ago
> if you're a big enough operation, you can't be held responsible It's not irresponsible because people see videos they would rather not. It would be irresponsible if someone logged in to a child's account and see's something inappropriate, and it would be irresponsible to continuously allow illegal videos to stay up (both of these cases happen and need addressing). But saying your preferences don't align with how they determine content to be similar to each other doesn't make it irresponsible. Catering to preferences like that is not a responsibility. It might make the product better or worse for you if they don't, but it's not an obligation.

rasz 7y ago

Someone subconsciously channeled Idiocracy, "All I wanted was to watch some OW BY BALLS".