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> So long as it isn't used to disenfranchise people from a single vote, there's no problem. And you believe it's the Republicans who are hating on immigration

> So long as it isn't used to disenfranchise people from a single vote, there's no problem. And you believe it's the Republicans who are hating on immigration enforcement? The proposal for tracking everyone's residence not going to fly(coincidentally another thing you need id to do) with those people.

ebiester 7y ago
Immigration enforcement is easy. Jail every CEO and executive team that hires undocumented immigrants, and fine the company or individual $100 per hour of work from undocumented labor. If you have a threat of jail time or bankruptcy, you won't hire undocumented workers. If you are a farmer who uses undocumented workers, same thing. Put the onus on wealthy citizens for doing the wrong thing and have real consequences. Have sting operations. Yes, there's a basic underground economy of labor like maids, but that's a small portion of the undocumented economy. Then, create a Real immigration system that does not have 15 year wait systems. (http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMmigra...) Fix the H-2A guest worker program. (See https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/advocacy-and-programs/guestworker-programs https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/advocacy-and-programs/gues... ) Provide pathways to citizenship. Replace the H1-B program with one that is not exploitative. (permission to change jobs? Immediate deportation if you lose a job and don't immediately have another?) Accept that grocery and dining prices will rise. Oh, and don't put kids in cages. Treat asylum claimants as human. Provide pathways to legal status. The problem is that every Republican solution is based on punishing those who are poor and turns a blind eye to those who are wealthy.
- CompanionCuuube 7y ago
  So assume a spherical cow and immigration enforcement is "easy". Don't let that get in the way of actually responding to the objection regarding tracking of the residents of the US. But tell us how you really feel.
  - ebiester 7y ago
    That tracking is already being done. It is just poorly coordinated. Social Security is not a national ID. Hell, many men have a number due to "Selective Service" (AKA the draft that hasn't happened since Vietnam). Three companies have our entire address history unless we don't have credit cards. Our phone numbers are tied to us and our GPS is tied to our phones. The vast majority of us are tied to biometrics due to Real ID. We are all tracked when it matters. We already lost that battle. And we are tracked when we register to vote.
    - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
      "It is just poorly coordinated." Another spherical cow statement. The coordination makes all the difference. As a trivial example: an area could be covered in CCTV, but that's significantly different than if they all feed into a central governmental agency.

ebiester 7y ago

Immigration enforcement is easy. Jail every CEO and executive team that hires undocumented immigrants, and fine the company or individual $100 per hour of work from undocumented labor. If you have a threat of jail time or bankruptcy, you won't hire undocumented workers. If you are a farmer who uses undocumented workers, same thing. Put the onus on wealthy citizens for doing the wrong thing and have real consequences. Have sting operations. Yes, there's a basic underground economy of labor like maids, but that's a small portion of the undocumented economy. Then, create a Real immigration system that does not have 15 year wait systems. (http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMmigra...) Fix the H-2A guest worker program. (See https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/advocacy-and-programs/guestworker-programs https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/advocacy-and-programs/gues... ) Provide pathways to citizenship. Replace the H1-B program with one that is not exploitative. (permission to change jobs? Immediate deportation if you lose a job and don't immediately have another?) Accept that grocery and dining prices will rise. Oh, and don't put kids in cages. Treat asylum claimants as human. Provide pathways to legal status. The problem is that every Republican solution is based on punishing those who are poor and turns a blind eye to those who are wealthy.

CompanionCuuube 7y ago
So assume a spherical cow and immigration enforcement is "easy". Don't let that get in the way of actually responding to the objection regarding tracking of the residents of the US. But tell us how you really feel.
- ebiester 7y ago
  That tracking is already being done. It is just poorly coordinated. Social Security is not a national ID. Hell, many men have a number due to "Selective Service" (AKA the draft that hasn't happened since Vietnam). Three companies have our entire address history unless we don't have credit cards. Our phone numbers are tied to us and our GPS is tied to our phones. The vast majority of us are tied to biometrics due to Real ID. We are all tracked when it matters. We already lost that battle. And we are tracked when we register to vote.
  - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
    "It is just poorly coordinated." Another spherical cow statement. The coordination makes all the difference. As a trivial example: an area could be covered in CCTV, but that's significantly different than if they all feed into a central governmental agency.