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Both of those would be considered extremely rare events. If you pull a gun on federal agents, you are likely to be shot. The Bundy case is an aberration.
by captainredbeard 7y ago
Both of those would be considered extremely rare events. If you pull a gun on federal agents, you are likely to be shot. The Bundy case is an aberration.
- jandrese 7y agoIt's the second time in the past two weeks a cop in Texas has killed an innocent person for no good reason.
- 77pt77 7y agoThat you know of...
- rayiner 7y agoThat’s not true. Federal agents have numerous armed standoffs that don’t result in anyone getting shot. In the recent Oregon standoff, involving 26 armed militiamen, just one person was killed. When someone does get killed, there is often huge public backlash. Consider Ruby Ridge, where a US militant family had an armed standoff with the US Marshall’s after the father missed a court date for an unrelated charge: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge. In an initial firefight, one member of the family and one federal agent were killed. Later, a federal sniper shot and killed the mother, and shot the father. After the incident ended, the father was acquitted of all charges except missing the original court date. One of the sons, who had killed the federal agent, was acquitted of all charges. The government settled wrongful death actions for over $3 million. Several years later, the state prosecutor indicted the federal agent who had killed the mother (though the charges were dismissed after a different prosecutor was elected).
- merpnderp 7y agoHow many people need to senselessly die before we realize that sometimes it's better to just let some lunatic hole up in his house for a few weeks while an FBI agent drinks coffee, reads the news, and waits for them to surrender. That agent was killed while sneaking up to the house like he was a member of Seal Team 6 and stumbled upon the kid out hunting, instead of just driving up to the house and saying "hey, you missed your court date - you're eventually going to need to see the doctor, dentist, or buy ice cream, so let's settle this like adults."
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago>how people need to die before... Exactly 76, seasoned with CX to taste and baked at 350 for 30min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74LpP80w4w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74LpP80w4w Ever since the government has taken a more "wait them out" approach which has worked better for everyone except arguably the government who's lost in court several times since.
- harryh 7y agoIn most cases where the "wait them out" strategy is abandoned, it's because their are children involved and there is legitimate reason to be concerned for their safety.
- TheCoelacanth 7y agoSurely having a firefight going on in close proximity to them is not great for childrens' safety. Their parents would have to be much crazier than normal for that to be in their best interests.
- shadowgovt 7y agoThis would clearly be the best rule of engagement, except that some off-gridders turn out to be the Unabomber.
- FDSGSG 7y agoHow does that make any sense in this context?
- shadowgovt 7y agoBecause it's the counterweight to "sometimes it's better to just let some lunatic hole up in his house." Sometimes that lunatic is a threat to others, not just themselves.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
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- dependenttypes 7y agoDon't forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
- captainredbeard 7y agoThe recent Oregon standoff was the Bundy incident...
- paulie_a 7y agoThe Bundy standoff was in Nevada. Some other assholes decided to take over a bird sanctuary or something in Oregon
- Frondo 7y agoThe bird sanctuary takeover was Cliven Bundy's son and several of his friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati...