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It seems that almost all the comments are about the downfall of MBAs. The actual article - not the title - says applications rose in Europe, China and quite dr

by ucha 7y ago

It seems that almost all the comments are about the downfall of MBAs. The actual article - not the title - says applications rose in Europe, China and quite dramatically in Canada. If applications rise by 9% in Canada while they decrease by 9% in the US, it's quite a good argument for the thesis of the author which is that immigration restrictions are responsible. It used to be easy to get an MBA in the US then get a job as a foreigner. I have a friend who got a Masters in the US from an elite uni, worked in New York for 3 years, applied and lost thrice the H1-B lottery to later move to London. Many Indian and Chinese nationals leave for Canada instead of waiting more than a decade to get a Green Card. Getting an education in the US with the intention to access its job market is less attractive now.

commandlinefan 7y ago
Well, I know this sort of sentiment is usually dismissed as xenophobia but… where’s the evidence that this is a bad thing _for U.S. citizens_?
- ska 7y ago
  > where’s the evidence that this is a bad thing _for U.S. citizens_? apropos in a discussion of MBA schools: https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-e...
- SamuelAdams 7y ago
  If it is international students that are applying elsewhere, that could lead to a drop in diversity at these universities. There have been studies that confirm students do better when learning with a diverse set of peers [1], but these studies were on elementary aged students. I'm curious if that applies to college / master's programs too. From the article: Students can learn better how to navigate adulthood in an increasingly diverse society—a skill that employers value—if they attend diverse schools. Ninety-six percent of major employers, Wells, Fox, and Cordova-Cobo note, say it is “important” that employees be “comfortable working with colleagues, customers, and/or clients from diverse cultural backgrounds.” [1]: https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/ https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-...
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  The fact that international immigrants are significantly greater contributors to the US economy than US citizens? And if you restrict to those who are coming here for higher ed, the difference is likely to be much much more stark. And it’s obvious why immigrants would be greater contributors, especially those in higher ed, without having to resort to demographic analysis.

by ucha 7y ago

commandlinefan 7y ago

Well, I know this sort of sentiment is usually dismissed as xenophobia but… where’s the evidence that this is a bad thing _for U.S. citizens_?

ska 7y ago
> where’s the evidence that this is a bad thing _for U.S. citizens_? apropos in a discussion of MBA schools: https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-e...
SamuelAdams 7y ago
If it is international students that are applying elsewhere, that could lead to a drop in diversity at these universities. There have been studies that confirm students do better when learning with a diverse set of peers [1], but these studies were on elementary aged students. I'm curious if that applies to college / master's programs too. From the article: Students can learn better how to navigate adulthood in an increasingly diverse society—a skill that employers value—if they attend diverse schools. Ninety-six percent of major employers, Wells, Fox, and Cordova-Cobo note, say it is “important” that employees be “comfortable working with colleagues, customers, and/or clients from diverse cultural backgrounds.” [1]: https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/ https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-...
thawaway1837 7y ago
The fact that international immigrants are significantly greater contributors to the US economy than US citizens? And if you restrict to those who are coming here for higher ed, the difference is likely to be much much more stark. And it’s obvious why immigrants would be greater contributors, especially those in higher ed, without having to resort to demographic analysis.