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Everybody has an ID. Find a study that shows differently (for example [1]) and you'll be able to see how obviously synthetic it is. I have no doubt that the peo

Everybody has an ID. Find a study that shows differently (for example [1]) and you'll be able to see how obviously synthetic it is. I have no doubt that the people who are opposing Voter ID have no nefarious motive, but there's a lot of confirmation bias at work that creates a false narrative that getting a photo ID is "difficult" and that people without photo IDs are common and disproportionately minorities. [1] https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/d...

bearcobra 7y ago
I'm not sure I understand what objections would be to the study you cite.
- andrewla 7y ago
  A telephone survey of 982 people called on landlines. How many total calls were made -- what was the response rate, and what has been done to de-bias any correlation between response rate and the outcome? And a self-reporting survey, over the phone, about government photo ids, without any mention being made of how they convinced people that the survey was genuine? And then there's just the standard phone survey stuff, where you up-multiply based on (once again, self-reported) attributes to match population demographics, causing everything to be wildly out of whack. This level of obfuscation of methodology is pretty high even by the standards of regular polling.
slg 7y ago
Did you legitimately just link to a study disproving your point as if that is evidence that supposedly proves your point?
- CompanionCuuube 7y ago
  It helps if you read the entire comment, as it would be obvious that the objection was to the "obviously synthetic" nature of the study.
  - slg 7y ago
    I read that comment and it had zero explanation or any examples of how the report is "obviously synthetic".
wahern 7y ago
Everybody in your world has an ID. In some impoverished and elderly communities not everyone has an ID. You don't run into these people in your day-to-day life as they manifestly don't have the same work and living habits as you do. Millions of these people do exist. I've had family members in this boat. Renewals, name changes (especially for women), DUIs, homelessness (which encompasses much more than literally not having a roof over your head), lack of mobility, a DMV that's 30+ miles away, and the simple fact that successfully voting isn't exactly high on the list of priorities for people facing these issues--these are just a few of the myriad random barriers that conspire to hold back people from voting. I've personally seen them among acquaintances; if you haven't, consider yourself fortunate. I don't see why it needs to be denied. The level of effort the state should expend to address these issues, what sort personal investment and initiative we should expect of people, and such burdens relative to the risk of fraud--these questions are worthy of debate. But nobody wants to argue these things fairly because, for better or worse, the facts are uncomfortable, especially if you cling to the principle of universal suffrage, which we're all expected to do. And maybe that's unfair--it is difficult for certain political perspectives, such as that we should recognize some aspect of voting as an earned privilege requiring some modicum of initiative, to be voiced these days. But that's no excuse for denying facts.

bearcobra 7y ago

I'm not sure I understand what objections would be to the study you cite.

andrewla 7y ago
A telephone survey of 982 people called on landlines. How many total calls were made -- what was the response rate, and what has been done to de-bias any correlation between response rate and the outcome? And a self-reporting survey, over the phone, about government photo ids, without any mention being made of how they convinced people that the survey was genuine? And then there's just the standard phone survey stuff, where you up-multiply based on (once again, self-reported) attributes to match population demographics, causing everything to be wildly out of whack. This level of obfuscation of methodology is pretty high even by the standards of regular polling.

slg 7y ago

Did you legitimately just link to a study disproving your point as if that is evidence that supposedly proves your point?

CompanionCuuube 7y ago
It helps if you read the entire comment, as it would be obvious that the objection was to the "obviously synthetic" nature of the study.
- slg 7y ago
  I read that comment and it had zero explanation or any examples of how the report is "obviously synthetic".

wahern 7y ago

Everybody in your world has an ID. In some impoverished and elderly communities not everyone has an ID. You don't run into these people in your day-to-day life as they manifestly don't have the same work and living habits as you do. Millions of these people do exist. I've had family members in this boat. Renewals, name changes (especially for women), DUIs, homelessness (which encompasses much more than literally not having a roof over your head), lack of mobility, a DMV that's 30+ miles away, and the simple fact that successfully voting isn't exactly high on the list of priorities for people facing these issues--these are just a few of the myriad random barriers that conspire to hold back people from voting. I've personally seen them among acquaintances; if you haven't, consider yourself fortunate. I don't see why it needs to be denied. The level of effort the state should expend to address these issues, what sort personal investment and initiative we should expect of people, and such burdens relative to the risk of fraud--these questions are worthy of debate. But nobody wants to argue these things fairly because, for better or worse, the facts are uncomfortable, especially if you cling to the principle of universal suffrage, which we're all expected to do. And maybe that's unfair--it is difficult for certain political perspectives, such as that we should recognize some aspect of voting as an earned privilege requiring some modicum of initiative, to be voiced these days. But that's no excuse for denying facts.