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How does the purging actually work? Is there sole evil republican henchman with database access? Is there no oversight into what is actually purged? Trapped be

by etxm 7y ago

How does the purging actually work? Is there sole evil republican henchman with database access? Is there no oversight into what is actually purged? Trapped behind the paywall.

deaps 7y ago
>> Trapped behind the paywall. While the site it loading, just hit the escape key.
- rymohr 7y ago
  Any tricks for mobile?
  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    Use Firefox mobile and install any of the paywall bypass plugins that work on the desktop version.
sct202 7y ago
I got the letters that my voter registration was going to be purged, but I left Ohio like 7 years ago at that point and hadn't voted since I left. I had actually looked into de-registering way back when but it required filling out a form and physically mailing it, so I didn't bother. Edit: Also I was slightly impressed that they found my current mailing address. I've moved like 6 times across several states, since I left Ohio.
notfromhere 7y ago
The Secretary of State is Republican, and surprise, the GOP pursues policies that restrict the ballot in a way that benefits them and disadvantages Democrats. Ohio is a state where the GOP holds 75% of federal House seats despite winning only 50% of the vote. Similar effect holds for the state legislative offices
- tathougies 7y ago
  80% of 235,000 is 188,000. Your argument is that it is okay to keep 188,000 invalid voters on the books because otherwise the republicans might win? Don't you see how fraudulent or no-longer-active voter registrations may bring about questions of legitimacy? 188,000 is no small number of people. Trump won Ohio with a smaller margin.
  - notfromhere 7y ago
    If the state can't put together a list that doesn't disenfranchise one in every five voters on it, it shouldn't bother. Voter fraud is a non-existent issue and these mass-removals serve no basis except as cover to remove voters that don't support their party.
    - tathougies 7y ago
      You don't think removing dead or moved voters is important? This is not about voter fraud. This is just about keeping your records in order, and making sure no one can raise suspicions about your electoral mechanisms.
      - notfromhere 7y ago
        Unless the state has an effective mechanism that doesn't disenfranchise voters, and that those moved or dead voters aren't voting, the motives are suspect.
        tathougies 7y ago
        > the motives are suspect. Um, no they're not. Simply wanting to maintain a clean record is a personality difference that it is unreasonable to get suspicious over given the varying personalities of the various secretaries of state (the one who ultimately decides such policies).
        notfromhere 7y ago
will4274 7y ago
Purging is a legal requirement in all 50 states. Dead voters, those who've moved, and those who are ineligible (felons) must be removed. Red states like Ohio are criminally over-zealous and remove poor people. Blue states like Michigan are criminally under-zealous and have more voters on the rolls than people living in the state.
- tathougies 7y ago
  I don't understand how this has turned into a political issue. Everyone should want expired, duplicate, or downright fraudulent voter registrations removed, while keeping those who are eligible on the books. What a sad state of affairs we are in.
  - crooked-v 7y ago
    It's a political issue because one party uses it as an excuse to remove active voters of the other party, and the other party rightfully objects to this.
    - will4274 7y ago
      That's a pretty bad take. The other half the story is that the Dems object to every cleanup and always claim the Republicans are trying to suppress votes, but never have any suggestions on how to do it better, only "don't do it now" or "do it after the next election" in perpetuity. That's how blue states like Michigan end up with court orders requiring them to do cleanups (court orders which Michigan is violating).
      - crooked-v 7y ago
        > blue states like Michigan Both houses of Michigan's state legislature have been Republican-controlled since 2011. Not much of an example of the Dems controlling voter rolls at the state level there.
        tathougies 7y ago

by etxm 7y ago

How does the purging actually work? Is there sole evil republican henchman with database access? Is there no oversight into what is actually purged? Trapped behind the paywall.

deaps 7y ago

>> Trapped behind the paywall. While the site it loading, just hit the escape key.

rymohr 7y ago
Any tricks for mobile?
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  Use Firefox mobile and install any of the paywall bypass plugins that work on the desktop version.

sct202 7y ago

I got the letters that my voter registration was going to be purged, but I left Ohio like 7 years ago at that point and hadn't voted since I left. I had actually looked into de-registering way back when but it required filling out a form and physically mailing it, so I didn't bother. Edit: Also I was slightly impressed that they found my current mailing address. I've moved like 6 times across several states, since I left Ohio.

notfromhere 7y ago

The Secretary of State is Republican, and surprise, the GOP pursues policies that restrict the ballot in a way that benefits them and disadvantages Democrats. Ohio is a state where the GOP holds 75% of federal House seats despite winning only 50% of the vote. Similar effect holds for the state legislative offices

tathougies 7y ago
80% of 235,000 is 188,000. Your argument is that it is okay to keep 188,000 invalid voters on the books because otherwise the republicans might win? Don't you see how fraudulent or no-longer-active voter registrations may bring about questions of legitimacy? 188,000 is no small number of people. Trump won Ohio with a smaller margin.
- notfromhere 7y ago
  If the state can't put together a list that doesn't disenfranchise one in every five voters on it, it shouldn't bother. Voter fraud is a non-existent issue and these mass-removals serve no basis except as cover to remove voters that don't support their party.
  - tathougies 7y ago
    You don't think removing dead or moved voters is important? This is not about voter fraud. This is just about keeping your records in order, and making sure no one can raise suspicions about your electoral mechanisms.
    - notfromhere 7y ago
      Unless the state has an effective mechanism that doesn't disenfranchise voters, and that those moved or dead voters aren't voting, the motives are suspect.
      - tathougies 7y ago
        > the motives are suspect. Um, no they're not. Simply wanting to maintain a clean record is a personality difference that it is unreasonable to get suspicious over given the varying personalities of the various secretaries of state (the one who ultimately decides such policies).
        notfromhere 7y ago

will4274 7y ago

Purging is a legal requirement in all 50 states. Dead voters, those who've moved, and those who are ineligible (felons) must be removed. Red states like Ohio are criminally over-zealous and remove poor people. Blue states like Michigan are criminally under-zealous and have more voters on the rolls than people living in the state.

tathougies 7y ago
I don't understand how this has turned into a political issue. Everyone should want expired, duplicate, or downright fraudulent voter registrations removed, while keeping those who are eligible on the books. What a sad state of affairs we are in.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  It's a political issue because one party uses it as an excuse to remove active voters of the other party, and the other party rightfully objects to this.
  - will4274 7y ago
    That's a pretty bad take. The other half the story is that the Dems object to every cleanup and always claim the Republicans are trying to suppress votes, but never have any suggestions on how to do it better, only "don't do it now" or "do it after the next election" in perpetuity. That's how blue states like Michigan end up with court orders requiring them to do cleanups (court orders which Michigan is violating).
    - crooked-v 7y ago
      > blue states like Michigan Both houses of Michigan's state legislature have been Republican-controlled since 2011. Not much of an example of the Dems controlling voter rolls at the state level there.
      - tathougies 7y ago