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I would rather hire a person who likes classical music than the one who likes country/rap/bieber. From my experience, people who prefer classical music are gene

I would rather hire a person who likes classical music than the one who likes country/rap/bieber. From my experience, people who prefer classical music are generally smarter.

eastWestMath 7y ago
Yeah, see you're part of the problem.
iamasoftwaredev 7y ago
So basically no one from a rural area and no black people?
- Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
  There are hardly black people deep in the Ural mountains, where I happen live, near the Siberian border. Anyway. Affinity to classical music (or classical poetry, for that matter) comes not from cultural background, but from a certain level of intellectual sophistication. I don't buy the thesis that some people are born into an oppressed class and can't escape it. In our age education is easily accessible to anyone who has internet. One can learn any language for free, become a developer or a musician or a photographer, all it takes is some will to make yourself learn some marketable skills. Of course, now you'll likely say that some people are oppressed and conditioned to be unable to escape their caste, but it's just nonsense.
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    "I don't buy the thesis that some people are born into an oppressed class and can't escape it." How does this match with the economist that determined that climbing out of poverty requires 20 years of nothing going wrong on average? [0][1] 0. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/economic-inequality/524610/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/economi... 1. HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16794514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16794514
  - wsy 7y ago
    Of course you can escape, but it is much harder. Love of music style is learned, and you learn it from your immediate social environment. I recommend to read "Distinction : A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste" by Pierre Bourdieu.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
      of course the music is learned from an immediate social environment! Precisely because of it, people who are capable to overcome their learned tastes and learn something else are way more valuable to any business. You see, very few people these days are taught to like Beethoven, most just find him on his own. That is a sign of a capability to think independently, which comes from higher intelligence.
      - wsy 7y ago
        People who grew up with classical music don't need to jump through that hoop. Or do you require them to acquire a taste for Hip Hop? If not, then it is exactly as I pointed out before: the bar is much higher if you come from the 'wrong' cultural background.
BrainInAJar 7y ago
there's no such thing as "smarter", even. That's a projected property not an innate quality. People who prefer classical music are trying to project an air of sophistication and intelligence but aren't any better at anything than anyone else
- Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
  Various studies [1] [2] seem to support the theory that people who prefer more complex music are generally more intelligent. You also probably missed the part where I said, 'from my experience'. I know several people who rose from the extreme poverty of Soviet Union rural villages and shitty rural schools to university professor positions (basically the highest position you could achieve in USSR without participating in the Communist party activities), and you know what, for some reason, every one of them acquired a taste for classical music at one point of their lives. Coincidence? I think not. [1] https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/smarter-people-listen-to-instrumental-music-study/ https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/smarter-people-listen-to-instr... [2] https://psmag.com/social-justice/classical-music-linked-to-high-intelligence-27959 https://psmag.com/social-justice/classical-music-linked-to-h...
whateveracct 7y ago
The opposite could easily be said. If you cannot even try to appreciate country/rap/beiber, then you probably have some mental blocks yourself :)
- Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
  My personal preference is not important when I hire someone to do a job. All I am interested as an employer is a person's ability to do the job. The type of job I'm offering requires a person to be intelligent => I'll choose the one who likes Beethoven more than Bieber.
  - tyrust 7y ago
    >My personal preference is not important >I'll choose the one who likes Beethoven more than Bieber. But that is your personal preference.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
      For that matter, yes, but it is irrelevant for hiring since I'm not going to listen to music or discuss it at work. If we go to another aspect of my personal preferences, I dislike jazz, and rather indifferent to rap, but jazz beats rap for potential hires.
      - tyrust 7y ago
        >it is irrelevant for hiring >jazz beats rap for potential hires Are you intentionally contradicting yourself?
        Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
        I'm not contradicting. Read more carefully. My personal tastes in music are irrelevant when I want the better candidate of the two options. And I will choose jass fan (all other things being seemingly equal) over hiphop fan despite I don't like jazz.
bigred100 7y ago
As I understand it, the hip trend among the elite now is to be a “cultural omnivore,” and has been for some time. “The new…elite listen to classical and to rap; they eat at fine restaurants and at diners. They are at ease everywhere in the world. We even seem to demand this omnivorousness pluralism of our elite. We don’t want a patrician president; we want a man who knows how to act around the queen of England but is just as comfortable sitting in a lawn chair holding a beer summit….[Elites] are comfortable almost anywhere. It is as if the new elite are saying, “Look! We are not some exclusive club. If anything, we are the most democratized of all groups. We are as comfortable with rap as opera. We can dine finely or at a truck stop. We accept all!” from this book Privilege: The Making of an Adolescent Elite at St. Paul’s School (2011), Shamus Rahman Kahn The only people I know who only listens to classical music are 75 year old Russian math professors and pretentious upper middle class teens

I would rather hire a person who likes classical music than the one who likes country/rap/bieber. From my experience, people who prefer classical music are generally smarter.

eastWestMath 7y ago

Yeah, see you're part of the problem.

iamasoftwaredev 7y ago

So basically no one from a rural area and no black people?

Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
There are hardly black people deep in the Ural mountains, where I happen live, near the Siberian border. Anyway. Affinity to classical music (or classical poetry, for that matter) comes not from cultural background, but from a certain level of intellectual sophistication. I don't buy the thesis that some people are born into an oppressed class and can't escape it. In our age education is easily accessible to anyone who has internet. One can learn any language for free, become a developer or a musician or a photographer, all it takes is some will to make yourself learn some marketable skills. Of course, now you'll likely say that some people are oppressed and conditioned to be unable to escape their caste, but it's just nonsense.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  "I don't buy the thesis that some people are born into an oppressed class and can't escape it." How does this match with the economist that determined that climbing out of poverty requires 20 years of nothing going wrong on average? [0][1] 0. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/economic-inequality/524610/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/economi... 1. HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16794514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16794514
- wsy 7y ago
  Of course you can escape, but it is much harder. Love of music style is learned, and you learn it from your immediate social environment. I recommend to read "Distinction : A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste" by Pierre Bourdieu.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
    of course the music is learned from an immediate social environment! Precisely because of it, people who are capable to overcome their learned tastes and learn something else are way more valuable to any business. You see, very few people these days are taught to like Beethoven, most just find him on his own. That is a sign of a capability to think independently, which comes from higher intelligence.
    - wsy 7y ago
      People who grew up with classical music don't need to jump through that hoop. Or do you require them to acquire a taste for Hip Hop? If not, then it is exactly as I pointed out before: the bar is much higher if you come from the 'wrong' cultural background.

BrainInAJar 7y ago

there's no such thing as "smarter", even. That's a projected property not an innate quality. People who prefer classical music are trying to project an air of sophistication and intelligence but aren't any better at anything than anyone else

Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
Various studies [1] [2] seem to support the theory that people who prefer more complex music are generally more intelligent. You also probably missed the part where I said, 'from my experience'. I know several people who rose from the extreme poverty of Soviet Union rural villages and shitty rural schools to university professor positions (basically the highest position you could achieve in USSR without participating in the Communist party activities), and you know what, for some reason, every one of them acquired a taste for classical music at one point of their lives. Coincidence? I think not. [1] https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/smarter-people-listen-to-instrumental-music-study/ https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/smarter-people-listen-to-instr... [2] https://psmag.com/social-justice/classical-music-linked-to-high-intelligence-27959 https://psmag.com/social-justice/classical-music-linked-to-h...

whateveracct 7y ago

The opposite could easily be said. If you cannot even try to appreciate country/rap/beiber, then you probably have some mental blocks yourself :)

Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
My personal preference is not important when I hire someone to do a job. All I am interested as an employer is a person's ability to do the job. The type of job I'm offering requires a person to be intelligent => I'll choose the one who likes Beethoven more than Bieber.
- tyrust 7y ago
  >My personal preference is not important >I'll choose the one who likes Beethoven more than Bieber. But that is your personal preference.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
    For that matter, yes, but it is irrelevant for hiring since I'm not going to listen to music or discuss it at work. If we go to another aspect of my personal preferences, I dislike jazz, and rather indifferent to rap, but jazz beats rap for potential hires.
    - tyrust 7y ago
      >it is irrelevant for hiring >jazz beats rap for potential hires Are you intentionally contradicting yourself?
      - Andrew_nenakhov 7y ago
        I'm not contradicting. Read more carefully. My personal tastes in music are irrelevant when I want the better candidate of the two options. And I will choose jass fan (all other things being seemingly equal) over hiphop fan despite I don't like jazz.

bigred100 7y ago

As I understand it, the hip trend among the elite now is to be a “cultural omnivore,” and has been for some time. “The new…elite listen to classical and to rap; they eat at fine restaurants and at diners. They are at ease everywhere in the world. We even seem to demand this omnivorousness pluralism of our elite. We don’t want a patrician president; we want a man who knows how to act around the queen of England but is just as comfortable sitting in a lawn chair holding a beer summit….[Elites] are comfortable almost anywhere. It is as if the new elite are saying, “Look! We are not some exclusive club. If anything, we are the most democratized of all groups. We are as comfortable with rap as opera. We can dine finely or at a truck stop. We accept all!” from this book Privilege: The Making of an Adolescent Elite at St. Paul’s School (2011), Shamus Rahman Kahn The only people I know who only listens to classical music are 75 year old Russian math professors and pretentious upper middle class teens