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> Positively, I work from home. I have four providers I could get 1Gbps symmetrical, unmetered, business-class FTTH for less than 100,- CHF / month. It's hard t

> Positively, I work from home. I have four providers I could get 1Gbps symmetrical, unmetered, business-class FTTH for less than 100,- CHF / month. It's hard to go wrong with that. I pay 79.99 USD a month for Verizon Fios 1 gbps in nyc. That is before a $200.00 credit. Fios is FTTH. That’s a good 20-25% discount to what you pay in Switzerland. Plus I heard from several colleagues and friends who are people of color that they faced more racism in Switzerland (and a few European countries) than in the US. I know this is subjective and everyone’s experience is different. But you can’t ignore the fact that the CEO’s of two of the largest tech companies in the US are Indians. I don’t know of any large European companies that are being run by people of color. Maybe they are but I just don’t know.

lukeqsee 7y ago
> That’s a good 20-25% discount to what you pay in Switzerland. I actually pay 60,- CHF, plus a bit extra for a static IP + IPv6. I was saying I have that option for four providers all under 100. :) > Plus I heard from several colleagues and friends who are people of color that they faced more racism in Switzerland I can't speak directly to this, since I am not a PoC. What I have observed is the racism that exists appears to be of a different type than is typical in the US. It is more an aversion to outsiders than against a particular class of people. But again, I can't really speak to it since I'm not in the position to be on the receiving end of it. (Everyone thinks I'm Swiss until I open my mouth.)
eejjjj82 7y ago
not to turn this into a 1-up session, but 100CHF is an overestimate. i pay 49.99/mo for 10Gbps symmetric https://fiber.salt.ch/en https://fiber.salt.ch/en
- vinay427 7y ago
  Last I checked, Salt is much more shaky with speeds and some of the bandwidth may be shared. With the EWZ municipal fiber in Zurich (served by one of the private companies like the GP mentioned) I get the speeds I pay for all the time. I've heard worse things about Salt, but I won't complain about a better option so I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
noelsusman 7y ago
I know a Swiss expat living in America who moved here for that exact reason. His wife is Cuban, and they said they felt more at home and accepted in the US after a few months than they did after 10 years of living in Switzerland. They both loved Switzerland, but they cited the insular culture as the primary reason for leaving. His wife just couldn't handle it anymore.
- sails 7y ago
  > the insular culture Anecdotally, this is the reason most people struggle as expats in CH.
  - monaghanboy 7y ago
    Do / can expats just hang out with each other?
    - sails 7y ago
      Yes, out of necessity I gather. Seemingly typical of most foreign countries with strong expat presence, but Swiss are notoriously insular.
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pergadad 7y ago
Deutsche Bank used to have an Indian CEO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshu_Jain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshu_Jain Most European CEOs/presidents just aren't as well known as the US behemoths.
reascenda 7y ago
The CEO of Credit Suisse is a black man from the Ivory Coast. Not to say that racism doesn't exist in Switzerland but equally you don't see policemen shooting unarmed black people in their houses either.
- ticmasta 7y ago
  That's likely attributed more to gun culture than a lack of racism
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    High gun ownership in Switzerland.
  - Rebelgecko 7y ago
    What is Swiss gun culture like? I know they have one of the highest ownership rates in the world. I was on vacation there a few months ago and was surprised to learn that the government lets you keep your service weapon at the completion of the mandatory military service. Does mandating military service for men make a big impact on gun culture there?
0xffff2 7y ago
Meanwhile I pay $80/month for 12Mbs cable from Comcast in Silicon Valley. My only other option is DSL. I'm not going to be moving to Switzerland any time soon, but the internet situation in the US is spotty and inconsistent at best.
- alexis_fr 7y ago
  20€/month for 1Gbps in France. In big cities only - in smaller cities you might get 200Mbps.
mk89 7y ago
That's what obviously the article doesn't mention. Money is not all, and I know plenty of white people too who could not handle the "arrogant Swiss people", that they had to leave the country. You can't generalize, I agree, however when you hear more times the same complains from completely different people, you start to wonder if there is not a bit of truth in it, though. I didn't want to add negativity to the post, I just really dislike this sort of articles trying to convince people to do something they might regret.
- iamasoftwaredev 7y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/11pcs1/while_i_lived_in_an_apartment_i_kept_a_linksys/c6oqc3m/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/11pcs1/while_i_l...
kgwgk 7y ago
The CEO of one of the three largest companies in Switzerland is of Indian origin (born in the US to Indian parents, I think).
stkdump 7y ago
Germans face racism in Switzerland
joyeuse6701 7y ago
Anecdotal: a friend (filipina) was married to a Dentist in Switzerland. She was generally assumed to be a prostitute or mail order bride. Needless to say she's struggled to integrate and make friends and the country has forever tainted their experience for the worst.

lukeqsee 7y ago

> That’s a good 20-25% discount to what you pay in Switzerland. I actually pay 60,- CHF, plus a bit extra for a static IP + IPv6. I was saying I have that option for four providers all under 100. :) > Plus I heard from several colleagues and friends who are people of color that they faced more racism in Switzerland I can't speak directly to this, since I am not a PoC. What I have observed is the racism that exists appears to be of a different type than is typical in the US. It is more an aversion to outsiders than against a particular class of people. But again, I can't really speak to it since I'm not in the position to be on the receiving end of it. (Everyone thinks I'm Swiss until I open my mouth.)

eejjjj82 7y ago

not to turn this into a 1-up session, but 100CHF is an overestimate. i pay 49.99/mo for 10Gbps symmetric https://fiber.salt.ch/en https://fiber.salt.ch/en

vinay427 7y ago
Last I checked, Salt is much more shaky with speeds and some of the bandwidth may be shared. With the EWZ municipal fiber in Zurich (served by one of the private companies like the GP mentioned) I get the speeds I pay for all the time. I've heard worse things about Salt, but I won't complain about a better option so I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

noelsusman 7y ago

I know a Swiss expat living in America who moved here for that exact reason. His wife is Cuban, and they said they felt more at home and accepted in the US after a few months than they did after 10 years of living in Switzerland. They both loved Switzerland, but they cited the insular culture as the primary reason for leaving. His wife just couldn't handle it anymore.

sails 7y ago
> the insular culture Anecdotally, this is the reason most people struggle as expats in CH.
- monaghanboy 7y ago
  Do / can expats just hang out with each other?
  - sails 7y ago
    Yes, out of necessity I gather. Seemingly typical of most foreign countries with strong expat presence, but Swiss are notoriously insular.
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pergadad 7y ago

Deutsche Bank used to have an Indian CEO https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshu_Jain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshu_Jain Most European CEOs/presidents just aren't as well known as the US behemoths.

reascenda 7y ago

The CEO of Credit Suisse is a black man from the Ivory Coast. Not to say that racism doesn't exist in Switzerland but equally you don't see policemen shooting unarmed black people in their houses either.

ticmasta 7y ago
That's likely attributed more to gun culture than a lack of racism
- scarejunba 7y ago
  High gun ownership in Switzerland.
- Rebelgecko 7y ago
  What is Swiss gun culture like? I know they have one of the highest ownership rates in the world. I was on vacation there a few months ago and was surprised to learn that the government lets you keep your service weapon at the completion of the mandatory military service. Does mandating military service for men make a big impact on gun culture there?

0xffff2 7y ago

Meanwhile I pay $80/month for 12Mbs cable from Comcast in Silicon Valley. My only other option is DSL. I'm not going to be moving to Switzerland any time soon, but the internet situation in the US is spotty and inconsistent at best.

alexis_fr 7y ago
20€/month for 1Gbps in France. In big cities only - in smaller cities you might get 200Mbps.

mk89 7y ago

That's what obviously the article doesn't mention. Money is not all, and I know plenty of white people too who could not handle the "arrogant Swiss people", that they had to leave the country. You can't generalize, I agree, however when you hear more times the same complains from completely different people, you start to wonder if there is not a bit of truth in it, though. I didn't want to add negativity to the post, I just really dislike this sort of articles trying to convince people to do something they might regret.

iamasoftwaredev 7y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/11pcs1/while_i_lived_in_an_apartment_i_kept_a_linksys/c6oqc3m/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/11pcs1/while_i_l...

kgwgk 7y ago

The CEO of one of the three largest companies in Switzerland is of Indian origin (born in the US to Indian parents, I think).

stkdump 7y ago

Germans face racism in Switzerland

joyeuse6701 7y ago

Anecdotal: a friend (filipina) was married to a Dentist in Switzerland. She was generally assumed to be a prostitute or mail order bride. Needless to say she's struggled to integrate and make friends and the country has forever tainted their experience for the worst.