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I realize this is not exactly a community that is friendly to being called out, but I have to simply say that it is inherently immoral to not only pay H1-B hold

I realize this is not exactly a community that is friendly to being called out, but I have to simply say that it is inherently immoral to not only pay H1-B holders the same, tax them the same, let alone not make corporations that want to hire H1-Bs to sabotage indigenous populations in order to profit more, not pay massive penalties that only increase over time for the privilege of hiring a foreign national they poach away from another society, in order to compensate for systemic and fundamental mismanagement and failure at national governance at every single level.

belltaco 7y ago
>tax them the same What? They are taxed the same. In fact, they are taxed more. They pay for Social Security and Medicare even if they never get to use them. They also have to pay state unemployment insurance but they cannot claim the benefits from it. Not to mention the food stamp program etc. I am confused with your wording and the use of double negatives, are you saying they shouldn't be charged for things they won't use?
- ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
  Correct. Majority of the social security is never used by h1b. Also need your own insurance, cannot claim any benefits, have to leave the country in 24 hours if h1b lose the job, cannot claim business expenses...
  - screye 7y ago
    just saying, h1b usually have about 2 months of unemployment since being fired. Not great, but not a single day either. your statement about social welfare is reality for Indian h1bs. They will never be able to get a green card, and yet pay all the taxes for them. 8% of your salary is pretty steep for something you can't touch, ever.
    - belltaco 7y ago
      It's 16%. Employers have to match it, so it's an additional 8% on top of the 8% that the employee pays.
    - ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
      It probably changed with the Obama administration but when I was on H1b it was said that we had to leave as soon as possible. Maybe you are right because we could never find a legal source of truth for this info. The point is, we have to leave everything. If you have kids, car, school for kids, house everything goes out.
  - RonaldDR 7y ago
    Social security is not a tax, my friend. It is essentially an involuntary benefits payment to others. It's why they hide it and obscure the language about it. And if you had to, e.g,. write two checks every month; one to a government bureaucrat and another to some social security recipient, then you would get it … which is exactly why they don't want that. SS you pay today is used to pay for the SS check someone else gets today. It's literally a passthrough while a whole stable of bureaucrats takes a massive portion off the top. It's one of the many reasons why SS meets the criteria of a Ponzi scheme. There is no SS that you put aside that will be available to you in the future, what you paid today is gone, paid, poof, zero, null, it does not exist and is not available to you once you pay it. If you want to call it something more accurate than a tax, call it proportional enslavement. And that in an even more direct manner than general taxation that involuntary serves individual interests instead of common ones, let alone only pays for core functions of government. When you have taxes taken from you under threat of violence (jail) to support others' lives and lifestyles that benefits them and only them, that is nothing but slavery, regardless of whether it is only 30% slavery while having to pay for your own wellbeing and upkeep, instead of 80% slavery while living on a socialist paradise of a plantation where everything is "free".
- RonaldDR 7y ago
  You misread. They should be taxed at far higher rates, just like how you have to pay higher prices for stocks once a company is successful than you pay when the company is still wildly risky. But people are essentially being robbed and defrauded by "immigration" in what is the biggest crime against humanity on record yet (even if partially due to increased population sizes). The USA and non-ruling class psychopath indigenous Americans in particular are being utterly drained and gutted and sucked dry of all their wealth while they have have had unfettered chemical warfare waged against them for at least 50 years now in the form of drugs, which is killing ~80,000 people every single year, alone just from overdoses, not counting related murders/manslaughter, suicides, intentional accidents, or the utter misery and suicides it causes as second order consequences to family and friends. But I know this group of people here does not care one bit about it parasitic ethos.

belltaco 7y ago

>tax them the same What? They are taxed the same. In fact, they are taxed more. They pay for Social Security and Medicare even if they never get to use them. They also have to pay state unemployment insurance but they cannot claim the benefits from it. Not to mention the food stamp program etc. I am confused with your wording and the use of double negatives, are you saying they shouldn't be charged for things they won't use?

ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
Correct. Majority of the social security is never used by h1b. Also need your own insurance, cannot claim any benefits, have to leave the country in 24 hours if h1b lose the job, cannot claim business expenses...
- screye 7y ago
  just saying, h1b usually have about 2 months of unemployment since being fired. Not great, but not a single day either. your statement about social welfare is reality for Indian h1bs. They will never be able to get a green card, and yet pay all the taxes for them. 8% of your salary is pretty steep for something you can't touch, ever.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    It's 16%. Employers have to match it, so it's an additional 8% on top of the 8% that the employee pays.
  - ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
    It probably changed with the Obama administration but when I was on H1b it was said that we had to leave as soon as possible. Maybe you are right because we could never find a legal source of truth for this info. The point is, we have to leave everything. If you have kids, car, school for kids, house everything goes out.
- RonaldDR 7y ago
  Social security is not a tax, my friend. It is essentially an involuntary benefits payment to others. It's why they hide it and obscure the language about it. And if you had to, e.g,. write two checks every month; one to a government bureaucrat and another to some social security recipient, then you would get it … which is exactly why they don't want that. SS you pay today is used to pay for the SS check someone else gets today. It's literally a passthrough while a whole stable of bureaucrats takes a massive portion off the top. It's one of the many reasons why SS meets the criteria of a Ponzi scheme. There is no SS that you put aside that will be available to you in the future, what you paid today is gone, paid, poof, zero, null, it does not exist and is not available to you once you pay it. If you want to call it something more accurate than a tax, call it proportional enslavement. And that in an even more direct manner than general taxation that involuntary serves individual interests instead of common ones, let alone only pays for core functions of government. When you have taxes taken from you under threat of violence (jail) to support others' lives and lifestyles that benefits them and only them, that is nothing but slavery, regardless of whether it is only 30% slavery while having to pay for your own wellbeing and upkeep, instead of 80% slavery while living on a socialist paradise of a plantation where everything is "free".
RonaldDR 7y ago
You misread. They should be taxed at far higher rates, just like how you have to pay higher prices for stocks once a company is successful than you pay when the company is still wildly risky. But people are essentially being robbed and defrauded by "immigration" in what is the biggest crime against humanity on record yet (even if partially due to increased population sizes). The USA and non-ruling class psychopath indigenous Americans in particular are being utterly drained and gutted and sucked dry of all their wealth while they have have had unfettered chemical warfare waged against them for at least 50 years now in the form of drugs, which is killing ~80,000 people every single year, alone just from overdoses, not counting related murders/manslaughter, suicides, intentional accidents, or the utter misery and suicides it causes as second order consequences to family and friends. But I know this group of people here does not care one bit about it parasitic ethos.