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As far as I know, a portion of Tesla's superchargers (and cars) are shipping with a CCS plug. I suspect it's just the matter of financial terms and Tesla's capa

As far as I know, a portion of Tesla's superchargers (and cars) are shipping with a CCS plug. I suspect it's just the matter of financial terms and Tesla's capacity.

clouddrover 7y ago
> a portion of Tesla's superchargers (and cars) are shipping with a CCS plug European chargers and the European Model 3 have CCS plugs, but Tesla disallows other EV brands to use Tesla chargers: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... > I suspect it's just the matter of financial terms What terms? Ionity's open to everyone already. Tesla doesn't exactly have much leverage here, and they'll have even less leverage as time goes on. Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then Tesla should open their chargers up to all EVs. Ionity is doing a far better job of Tesla's mission than Tesla is.
- prostoalex 7y ago
  > Tesla doesn't exactly have much leverage here. Ionity: "As of September 2019, IONITY has 140 stations live". Tesla: "1,636 Supercharger Stations with 14,497 Superchargers". I don't think Ionity operates from such incredible leverage position as you imagine them to be, and I think they will have to burn through quite a few billions dollars to match Tesla's capacity. It remains to be seen if those billions of dollars will materialize, but there's no reason not to wish them well - any additional capacity, whether it comes from ChargePoint, evGo, ChargeNow, Volta, etc. is a net positive. With that said, Tesla will probably open up to third parties at some point, provided they can bill on their terms, and they can manage capacity to prioritize Tesla owners. Supercharger overload at popular destinations is probably one of the most common recurrent complaints in the owner groups.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > I don't think Ionity operates from such incredible leverage position Again, you're thinking terms of closed networks. It's all CCS charge points combined. Tesla doesn't have anything magical to offer them, and will have even less to offer year by year. Tesla can either join the party or keep running a closed network and carry that cost with no business from other EVs. Ultimately the same thing will happen to Tesla's chargers as happens to all closed networks: they either become dead infrastructure or they convert to the common standard. America Online and Prodigy already found that out. Tesla will too.

As far as I know, a portion of Tesla's superchargers (and cars) are shipping with a CCS plug. I suspect it's just the matter of financial terms and Tesla's capacity.

clouddrover 7y ago

> a portion of Tesla's superchargers (and cars) are shipping with a CCS plug European chargers and the European Model 3 have CCS plugs, but Tesla disallows other EV brands to use Tesla chargers: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n... > I suspect it's just the matter of financial terms What terms? Ionity's open to everyone already. Tesla doesn't exactly have much leverage here, and they'll have even less leverage as time goes on. Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then Tesla should open their chargers up to all EVs. Ionity is doing a far better job of Tesla's mission than Tesla is.

prostoalex 7y ago
> Tesla doesn't exactly have much leverage here. Ionity: "As of September 2019, IONITY has 140 stations live". Tesla: "1,636 Supercharger Stations with 14,497 Superchargers". I don't think Ionity operates from such incredible leverage position as you imagine them to be, and I think they will have to burn through quite a few billions dollars to match Tesla's capacity. It remains to be seen if those billions of dollars will materialize, but there's no reason not to wish them well - any additional capacity, whether it comes from ChargePoint, evGo, ChargeNow, Volta, etc. is a net positive. With that said, Tesla will probably open up to third parties at some point, provided they can bill on their terms, and they can manage capacity to prioritize Tesla owners. Supercharger overload at popular destinations is probably one of the most common recurrent complaints in the owner groups.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > I don't think Ionity operates from such incredible leverage position Again, you're thinking terms of closed networks. It's all CCS charge points combined. Tesla doesn't have anything magical to offer them, and will have even less to offer year by year. Tesla can either join the party or keep running a closed network and carry that cost with no business from other EVs. Ultimately the same thing will happen to Tesla's chargers as happens to all closed networks: they either become dead infrastructure or they convert to the common standard. America Online and Prodigy already found that out. Tesla will too.