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Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change
- indeks 7y agoWell, that's what you can expect to happen if an ancient ice melts - stuff just comes out.
- thatgerhard 7y agowithout a single picture of any of the artifacts
- nicky0 7y agoAnd lots of illustrations of snowmen and melting ice lollies.
- fredsted 7y agoThat made me very frustrated! Here's the proper article, with actual pictures: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/2000-artifacts-pulled-edge-norways-melting-glaciers-180967949/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/2000-artifacts-pul...
- mojomark 7y agoThanks for the link. Aside from the OP article's basic regurgitation of prior (perhaps stale - I couldn't read it either being behind a "sign-in wall"), the Smithsonian author clearly didn't view it as a race against time and human-induced climate change, but merely an unexpected windfall for researchers: "There are countless negative impacts of the changing climate, but the recovery of these artifacts could be an unexpected positive. Our uncertain climate future may inadvertently help researchers learn more about our past."
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- thatgerhard 7y agothanks :)
- dang 7y agoOk, we've changed to that from https://gen.medium.com/the-rescue-mission-to-save-civilization-from-the-big-melt-ea1ce2043b7e https://gen.medium.com/the-rescue-mission-to-save-civilizati.... Thanks!
- RenRav 7y agoThat tunic is incredible! I can't believe it's around 1700 years old. I wonder how fast it would deteriorate once melted from the ice if it wasn't discovered. The glaciers melting is a sad thing but at least this aspect of it is exciting.
- ahje 7y agoExcellent sources, mostly Norwegian, but there are pictures and some English resources on those two web sites: * https://secretsoftheice.no/ https://secretsoftheice.no/ * https://www.norskfjellsenter.no/home https://www.norskfjellsenter.no/home
- mkl 7y agoMuch as I dislike Twitter links, there are lots of good pictures here: https://twitter.com/brearkeologi https://twitter.com/brearkeologi
- sushikokk 7y agoSee their official facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pg/secretsoftheice/posts/ https://www.facebook.com/pg/secretsoftheice/posts/
- aptwebapps 7y agoIf you scroll down far enough there are some (perhaps they were added later). The 'wrenches' look to me like some thing used to pull on or to tighten some sort of string or rope.
- devbas 7y agoCant read this article, Medium shows me to signup for an account.
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- neonate 7y agohttp://archive.is/UHgrk http://archive.is/UHgrk
- vkaku 7y agoI hope they find Megatron...
- cs02rm0 7y agoIf an arrow shaft was found from about 1500 years ago, does that imply there probably wasn't ice there at the time? Or were people hunting on the ice then?
- mkl 7y agoThe latter. Anything under the glacier would be pulverised into dust (the glaciers even carve out their own valleys). These artefacts must have started up above the ice (on top or down a crack), so the people would have been hunting on the ice or maybe travelling across it.
- nudq 7y agoI don't think we can simply assume that starting position matters to "pulverization" after 1500 years. Mobility is more likely; the mobile object moves along with the ice, the stationary one gets pulverized.
- mkl 7y agoI think even moving things that started on the ground would probably be crushed by the weight, since they would be at the bottom.
- ryanmercer 7y agoAlmost certainly icy areas, simply for the fact that the weight of the ice could easily crush and mangle any artefacts if the ice formed over them while they'd have much better survival chances the higher up in the ice layer they spent the bulk of their time in. Ötzi for example was travelling through a cold and icy region, it is what preserved him (although he's 3x as old). Ice weighs 0.919 grams per cubic centimeter or 919 kilograms per cubic meter, for those of us more familiar with inches/feet that means a cubic foot of ice 57.4 pounds. That weight adds up quickly.
- fullstop 7y agoIndiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis! https://i.imgur.com/G1vIYO0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/G1vIYO0.jpg
- trox 7y agoI often get into arguments with people not believing in the consequences of climate change, especially when it's about the melting glaciers. People reason that finding ancient objects hints to low ice levels at numerous times in the last millennias. My reaction is to reason about the implications of melting ice (ex. sea level rise), which I cannot really back up with facts. Is there another way to argue about this?
- motorogo 7y agoYou can absolutely back up concerns about sea level rise with facts: https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm Some just choose to ignore them.
- 1_player 7y agoWow, that site managed to hang my Brave tab on a 10-core, 64 GB RAM machine. Is it folding proteins on the background or something?
- motorogo 7y agoMaybe you need to check what else is running. I am using a Chromebook and it loads in seconds.
- nudq 7y ago> Some just choose to ignore them Some... like smart people with lots of money. Because, you know, the prediction market in nice oceanfront properties beloved by the coastal elites hasn't collapsed, even tough their tongues say they believe.
- edoo 7y agoI don't trust that website. I know for a fact that their #4 issue is a bust. I tracked down the 'consensus' paper that had 97% of a few dozen climate scientists say that humans are having an impact. I don't believe in CAGW because of the math, and I agree with those 97% scientists. The rest of the papers that reference the 97% consensus fail to qualify it that the consensus was about any impact at all however little. I think CO2 having a logarithmic warming effect should frankly be the end of the argument.
- tempguy9999 7y agoFilled up with cute clipart. Few images of the artifacts themselves. Possibly the ultimate failure in basic interface design. Thanks, morons.
- mhandley 7y agoThe unidentified "wrenches" [1] look awfully like a Trangia pan handle [2]. Wonder if they were used to hold a hot cooking pot? [1] https://miro.medium.com/max/4344/1*yF6s3HG4AY4WAQruLPSmag.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/4344/1*yF6s3HG4AY4WAQruLPSmag.jp... [2] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trangia-Pan-Handle/dp/B06XWJ32LP https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trangia-Pan-Handle/dp/B06XWJ32LP
- heelix 7y agoIndeed. Never thought about whittling out one. Looks like a neat little project when we go camping next summer.
- RosanaAnaDana 7y agoHuh. Exactly. The notches on the handle would be for lashing in another piece of wood to act as the lever arm.
- egdod 7y ago> You've completed your member preview for this month, but when you sign up for a free Medium account, you get one more story. Fuck Medium.
- Plyphon_ 7y agoIncognito gets you around this. I know it's beside the point. However incognito is the laziest of bypasses to a subscription-wall which tells me Medium aren't really behind it as a strategy anyway.
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- phkahler 7y agoHow to do that on android?
- egdod 7y agoFor now.
- 1propionyl 7y agoThe real problem is that websites can still even tell whether or not you're in incognito mode.
- wjmao88 7y agonot anymore on Chrome. They patched it.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoLately I've been using Forget Me for Chrome. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/forget-me-clean-history-c/gekpdemielcmiiiackmeoppdgaggjgda https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/forget-me-clean-hi... One click wipes cookies, history, and local and session storage for the current site. It works on the NYT and everything else I've tried so far.
- Merrill 7y agoWrenches? Clearly those are bottle openers. https://miro.medium.com/max/6516/1*yF6s3HG4AY4WAQruLPSmag.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/6516/1*yF6s3HG4AY4WAQruLPSmag.jp...
- mnky9800n 7y agowhy is there so much clip art and so little pictures of artifacts?
- lithos 7y agoIt's not an article to push the artifacts, it's an article to push global warming.
- chrisco255 7y agoThe existence of fossil evidence of human civilization in glacial areas indicates these areas were warmer in the past, when the glaciers didn't exist. It underscores the cyclical nature of climate change.
- erik_landerholm 7y agoAre there any good sci-fi novels about global warming thawing out some ancient alien artifacts?
- smogcutter 7y agoNot precisely what you’re looking for with the global warming angle, but At The Mountains of Madness by Lovecraft and John Carpenter’s The Thing both feature aliens hidden under the ice.
- magduf 7y agoAlso the first X-Files movie; it had a whole spaceship buried in Antarctica.
- WorldMaker 7y agoNot a novel, but the first example off my head is that the TV show Stargate SG-1 had a plot line about the discovery of the second Earth gate in Antarctic ice.
- aksss 7y agoThe references to Vikings seem a bit gratuitous, tacked on to the end of sentences likely by an editor, when the scope of the article is about Ötzi and 3400-year old shoes. I’m sure they’ve found some stuff from 1000 years ago as well, but the really fascinating material here is far older. But Vikings!!
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- todd8 7y agoThe article suggests, that the climate change that we are now concerned about is responsible for the exposure of these artifacts. Actually, the periodic glaciation in the earth history is followed by warming periods, known as the interglacials, during which the glaciers retreat[1]. This melting of glaciers, and the concomitant rise is sea level has been going on for the last 20,000 years of the current interglacial. I feel like this article, perhaps slightly, misrepresents what is happening. Ötzi[2] was discovered almost 40 years ago, before the accelerated warming due to current climate changes we are concerned about. He was likely uncovered by the inexorable melting of the glaciers that started during the current interglacial epoch, known as the Holocene, and which continues today. This melting explains the small, but constant sea level rise that has been going on for centuries. [3] During the last glacial maximum, the Laurentide ice sheet covered millions of square kilometers including the area that is currently Canada and northern United States. This ice sheet was up to 4000 meters thick, carved out the Great Lakes, and covered most of North America until 20,000 years ago. [4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_Age_Temperature.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial#/media/File:Ice_A... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ötzi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ötzi [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Holocene_sea_level_rise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Holocene_sea_level_rise [4] https://study.com/academy/lesson/laurentide-ice-sheet-facts-collapse-timeline.html https://study.com/academy/lesson/laurentide-ice-sheet-facts-...