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If you'd like to develop on Linux, I suggest trying Jetbrains Rider. It's as good as VS in most cases, and better in several. I've used it as my primary IDE for

If you'd like to develop on Linux, I suggest trying Jetbrains Rider. It's as good as VS in most cases, and better in several. I've used it as my primary IDE for most of this year.

jmkni 7y ago
+1 for Rider. It's basically ReSharper.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Including resource usage! As anything on top of InteliJ.
  - lultimouomo 7y ago
    JetBrains stuff does feel sluggish and occasionally hangs on my 2016 XPS-13 with 8G of ram. It gets the job done, but it's not pleasant. On my new Ryzen 3600 with 32G of ram it runs smooth. So if you go for JetBrains, I definitely advise not to cheap out on the hardware. Rider on Linux was very good for me, working on C# azure functions.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      32G?!? Where does one find such employers??? Not to mention how crazy it sounds having 32GB for an IDE. Visual Studio, Netbeans and Eclipse run perfectly fine with 8 GB.
      - jmkni 7y ago
        In my current role, I was given a laptop with 8GB. An additional 24GB mysteriously found it's way in there after a couple of days...
      - simonh 7y ago
        I had a 32GB dev machine in my last job at a bank. 8GB is barely enough to run a full-on IDE, but if you also need to run wireshark, Geneos, outlook, big-ass excell sheets, several browsers with over a dozen tabs each, a bunch of communications tools, other office apps etc, etc, I'd regularly go above 20GB memory usage. I was working app support really, with a fair bit of dev work as well, so needed to run a ton of different tools.
        avgDev 7y ago
        I'm not even at a tech company and requested 32GBs, as I sometimes have VS and Android Studio open, running mobile emulators and checking what is going on the API end. You add VMs to the mix and one really needs 32GBs. My company had no issues providing the ram. Plus, it is insanely cheap right now.
      - MrGilbert 7y ago
        It depends on your use-case. Add Docker, VM, development database server etc. to the bill, and a 32 GB machine is pretty reasonable for a dev.
      - lultimouomo 7y ago
        I am self employed, and invested the lump sum of 800€ (+ screen that I already head) for a reasonably beefy desktop machine. I'm not saying that 32G is the minimum required to run JetBrains IDEs well; I'm saying 8G is not enough and 32G is definitely enough to run it alongside a bunch of containers and other stuff. I agree that JetBrains stuff is resource hungry (maybe excessively so); to me it is still worth using it for Java, C#, Python, iOS and Android. For C++ I prefer Qt Creator (though I must say that the idea of switching to CLion and having a consistent IDE experience across all platforms that I work on is tempting).
      - rafaelvasco 7y ago
        These days 32G is starting to become more of a necessity as apps take more and more RAM. And if you're a gaming, 8G doesn't cut it anymore for some games;
      - stoobs 7y ago
        All the Dev machines where I work have been 16GB for years, I wouldn't be surprised if we jumped to 32GB in the next hardware refresh.
  - jen20 7y ago
    On a brand new machine (just verified), Visual Studio cannot keep up with my typing - a problem that has existed since the VS .NET days. IntelliJ may take a little extra time to start (though, not a huge amount more), but it has never suffered from that problem, even on much lower end boxes.
  - thrower123 7y ago
    One of the nice things about Rider, though, as opposed to ReSharper, is that it can be run as 64-bit, and you can control the size of the Java memory heap, rather than being jailed inside the 32-bit devenv.exe process. Visual Studio with Resharper chokes and dies pretty badly when you get into large solutions with 100k+ LOC and many projects. For years I've been seeing problems when memory usage gets close to 2GB, and the editor and intellisense starts getting laggy and unresponsive. For whatever reason, it is really bad if you have web applications with JS in the mix, to the point where I have resorted to just running WebStorm in parallel to do any front-end work.
    - teddyuk 7y ago
      something I have noticed with vs 2019 is that it creates lots of processed, presumably to try and give itself more than a single 32-bit address space
daniel-levin 7y ago
Seconded. As another commenter on this thread said, make sure you have a powerful enough machine. I work with Angular a lot. For me, Rider's killer feature is Angular integration [1]. It is far more powerful than Visual Studio's. [1] Other paid-for Jetbrains products such as IntelliJ Ultimate have the same integration

If you'd like to develop on Linux, I suggest trying Jetbrains Rider. It's as good as VS in most cases, and better in several. I've used it as my primary IDE for most of this year.

jmkni 7y ago

+1 for Rider. It's basically ReSharper.

pjmlp 7y ago
Including resource usage! As anything on top of InteliJ.
- lultimouomo 7y ago
  JetBrains stuff does feel sluggish and occasionally hangs on my 2016 XPS-13 with 8G of ram. It gets the job done, but it's not pleasant. On my new Ryzen 3600 with 32G of ram it runs smooth. So if you go for JetBrains, I definitely advise not to cheap out on the hardware. Rider on Linux was very good for me, working on C# azure functions.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    32G?!? Where does one find such employers??? Not to mention how crazy it sounds having 32GB for an IDE. Visual Studio, Netbeans and Eclipse run perfectly fine with 8 GB.
    - jmkni 7y ago
      In my current role, I was given a laptop with 8GB. An additional 24GB mysteriously found it's way in there after a couple of days...
    - simonh 7y ago
      I had a 32GB dev machine in my last job at a bank. 8GB is barely enough to run a full-on IDE, but if you also need to run wireshark, Geneos, outlook, big-ass excell sheets, several browsers with over a dozen tabs each, a bunch of communications tools, other office apps etc, etc, I'd regularly go above 20GB memory usage. I was working app support really, with a fair bit of dev work as well, so needed to run a ton of different tools.
      - avgDev 7y ago
        I'm not even at a tech company and requested 32GBs, as I sometimes have VS and Android Studio open, running mobile emulators and checking what is going on the API end. You add VMs to the mix and one really needs 32GBs. My company had no issues providing the ram. Plus, it is insanely cheap right now.
    - MrGilbert 7y ago
      It depends on your use-case. Add Docker, VM, development database server etc. to the bill, and a 32 GB machine is pretty reasonable for a dev.
    - lultimouomo 7y ago
      I am self employed, and invested the lump sum of 800€ (+ screen that I already head) for a reasonably beefy desktop machine. I'm not saying that 32G is the minimum required to run JetBrains IDEs well; I'm saying 8G is not enough and 32G is definitely enough to run it alongside a bunch of containers and other stuff. I agree that JetBrains stuff is resource hungry (maybe excessively so); to me it is still worth using it for Java, C#, Python, iOS and Android. For C++ I prefer Qt Creator (though I must say that the idea of switching to CLion and having a consistent IDE experience across all platforms that I work on is tempting).
    - rafaelvasco 7y ago
      These days 32G is starting to become more of a necessity as apps take more and more RAM. And if you're a gaming, 8G doesn't cut it anymore for some games;
    - stoobs 7y ago
      All the Dev machines where I work have been 16GB for years, I wouldn't be surprised if we jumped to 32GB in the next hardware refresh.
- jen20 7y ago
  On a brand new machine (just verified), Visual Studio cannot keep up with my typing - a problem that has existed since the VS .NET days. IntelliJ may take a little extra time to start (though, not a huge amount more), but it has never suffered from that problem, even on much lower end boxes.
- thrower123 7y ago
  One of the nice things about Rider, though, as opposed to ReSharper, is that it can be run as 64-bit, and you can control the size of the Java memory heap, rather than being jailed inside the 32-bit devenv.exe process. Visual Studio with Resharper chokes and dies pretty badly when you get into large solutions with 100k+ LOC and many projects. For years I've been seeing problems when memory usage gets close to 2GB, and the editor and intellisense starts getting laggy and unresponsive. For whatever reason, it is really bad if you have web applications with JS in the mix, to the point where I have resorted to just running WebStorm in parallel to do any front-end work.
  - teddyuk 7y ago
    something I have noticed with vs 2019 is that it creates lots of processed, presumably to try and give itself more than a single 32-bit address space

daniel-levin 7y ago

Seconded. As another commenter on this thread said, make sure you have a powerful enough machine. I work with Angular a lot. For me, Rider's killer feature is Angular integration [1]. It is far more powerful than Visual Studio's. [1] Other paid-for Jetbrains products such as IntelliJ Ultimate have the same integration