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That's not really the same thing, it's a second shortcut for basically the same action. It's really not that good, it's far away from Tab and I don't ever remem

by thiht 7y ago

That's not really the same thing, it's a second shortcut for basically the same action. It's really not that good, it's far away from Tab and I don't ever remember that it exists. I remapped it to Option+Tab but it's not good either.

donatj 7y ago
Far away from tab? It’s a single key up, at least on a US Qwerty keyboard. Update: Looking into non-us keyboards, this is way less convenient. Italian keyboards don’t even have a tilde? How do they program?
- mfontani 7y ago
  alt+126 for tilde alt+123 for { (or ralt+shift+è) alt+125 for } (or ralt+shift+"+") ... hence why as a young programmer the best ever present I got from my mother was a US layout keyboard, and never looked back. With AltGr deadkeys I can even write things that are Italian, like "È", but cannot be done on an Italian keyboard (there is no such letter on the keyboard, and one has to rely on the word processing sofware to properly capitalise it if "è" comes after an end of sentence). Italian keyboards are shit for writing Italian, _and_ for programming.
- aruggirello 7y ago
  On Windows (which I left almost two decades ago) the keyboard has always been a nightmare. Typing Alt+126 may solve the issue with tilde, but you can't possibly learn tens or hundreds of codes you might need if you happen to do any significant work on the keyboard. The Character map provides some relief, but the keyboard is a second-class citizen on Windows IMHO. On Linux, quite comfortably, thanks to the power of Alt modifiers (which I first got acquainted with on the Amiga), tilde is just Alt+"ì". BTW I don't have to recall ASCII codes of accented characters or leave the keyboard unless I have to type some really odd ones. I just type Alt+<accent symbol>. Thus I can type foreign words like Åland or Khazad-dûm in a fraction of a second with ease from the comfort of my keyboard... Würstels, crême caramel... È facile. Yes "È". Italian users on Windows always have issues typing uppercase accented characters... you can easily spot Italian Linux users by their uppercase text: PERCHÈ È COSÌ FACILE? Most (Windows) users will instead type: PERCHè è COSì. The most intrepid ones might even resort to "'" - PERCHE' E' COSI'. So sad. My ~2 cents.
diffeomorphism 7y ago
> it's far away from Tab Wait, it is not Alt+"key above tab" by default regardless of layout (like for example in gnome)?
- winstonschmidt 7y ago
  Sadly, no. I had to remap I manually to cmd+^ on my German keyboard.
- ymolodtsov 7y ago
  Not on ISO keyboards, which is every European language at least.

by thiht 7y ago

donatj 7y ago

Far away from tab? It’s a single key up, at least on a US Qwerty keyboard. Update: Looking into non-us keyboards, this is way less convenient. Italian keyboards don’t even have a tilde? How do they program?

mfontani 7y ago
alt+126 for tilde alt+123 for { (or ralt+shift+è) alt+125 for } (or ralt+shift+"+") ... hence why as a young programmer the best ever present I got from my mother was a US layout keyboard, and never looked back. With AltGr deadkeys I can even write things that are Italian, like "È", but cannot be done on an Italian keyboard (there is no such letter on the keyboard, and one has to rely on the word processing sofware to properly capitalise it if "è" comes after an end of sentence). Italian keyboards are shit for writing Italian, _and_ for programming.
aruggirello 7y ago
On Windows (which I left almost two decades ago) the keyboard has always been a nightmare. Typing Alt+126 may solve the issue with tilde, but you can't possibly learn tens or hundreds of codes you might need if you happen to do any significant work on the keyboard. The Character map provides some relief, but the keyboard is a second-class citizen on Windows IMHO. On Linux, quite comfortably, thanks to the power of Alt modifiers (which I first got acquainted with on the Amiga), tilde is just Alt+"ì". BTW I don't have to recall ASCII codes of accented characters or leave the keyboard unless I have to type some really odd ones. I just type Alt+<accent symbol>. Thus I can type foreign words like Åland or Khazad-dûm in a fraction of a second with ease from the comfort of my keyboard... Würstels, crême caramel... È facile. Yes "È". Italian users on Windows always have issues typing uppercase accented characters... you can easily spot Italian Linux users by their uppercase text: PERCHÈ È COSÌ FACILE? Most (Windows) users will instead type: PERCHè è COSì. The most intrepid ones might even resort to "'" - PERCHE' E' COSI'. So sad. My ~2 cents.

diffeomorphism 7y ago

> it's far away from Tab Wait, it is not Alt+"key above tab" by default regardless of layout (like for example in gnome)?

winstonschmidt 7y ago
Sadly, no. I had to remap I manually to cmd+^ on my German keyboard.
ymolodtsov 7y ago
Not on ISO keyboards, which is every European language at least.