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The term legacy vendors is reasonably appropriate & used because none of them except maybe nissan appears to have made an effort to move past the existing legac

The term legacy vendors is reasonably appropriate & used because none of them except maybe nissan appears to have made an effort to move past the existing legacy of gas engines. It's pretty clear that evs are the way the world will go. As I said in another comment, the pre-existing car makers have a lot of reasons not to invest in evs, because their technical expertise isn't in that area, and it will seriously hurt their dealers by reducing their post-sales maintenance profits. They are like king of the world motorola when the apple iphone came out. King of the old world.

clouddrover 7y ago
> because none of them except maybe nissan appears to have made an effort to move past the existing legacy of gas engines Volkswagen's investment in EVs is bigger than any other company's, including Tesla: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insight-idUSKCN1PV0K4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insig...
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  with little to show for it so far. it's not impossible that they have an impact. but not much so far. these companies also have limited battery supplies, which limits their sales.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    Here's Volkswagen's EV lineup for the next 18 months. They're targeting everything from the low end to the high end: - VW e-Up!: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/vws-updated-e-up-offers-161-mile-range-costs-less-than-its-predecessor/ https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/vws-updated-e-up-offers-16... - VW e-Golf (will be replaced by the ID.3, but still available): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0 - VW ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4HO6GHC8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4HO6GHC8Q - VW ID.4: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/volkswagen-id-4-2020-electric-suv-tests-alongside-id-3 https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-mot... - SEAT Mii: https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-order-soon-for-20650e/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-o... - SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZI7WFtwc8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZI7WFtwc8g - Cupra Tavascan (maybe, not confirmed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYHRKp4n1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYHRKp4n1w - Skoda Citigo iV: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/new-skoda-citigo-e-iv-arrives-frankfurt https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-mot... - Skoda Vision iV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E - Audi e-tron (and also a new "sportsback" variant): https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-e-tron https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-e-tron - Audi e-tron Q4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU - Audi e-tron GT (maybe 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEdiq2xTbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEdiq2xTbQ - Porsche Taycan (and the Cross Turismo variant in future): https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/ https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      I have to say, that is a lot of cars. Hope they succeed. I want evs to start to be seriously pursued by 'existing' ;-) auto makers but it's been a slow slog.
- codeulike 7y ago
  Most of the 80 billion euros mentioned in that article is future spending, they havent spent it yet. VW certainly do _seem_ to be going for it but we're still yet to have any ID3s on the road and they _still_ havent been clear on what range you get for what price with the ID3. I agree that VW _seem_ serious but there have been so many announcements over the last decade from various manufacturers saying 'we take evs seriously and we're going to do X,Y and Z' and the vast majority of those statements have been bullshit. e.g. here's a statement from VW in 2013 September 9, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- The Volkswagen Group has set its sights on global market leadership in electric mobility. "We are starting at exactly the right time. We are electrifying all vehicle classes, and therefore have everything we need to make the Volkswagen Group the top automaker in all respects, including electric mobility, by 2018", Prof. Dr. Martin Winterkorn, CEO of Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft, said on the eve of the 65th International Motor Show in Frankfurt am Main. https://tass.com/press-releases/700457 https://tass.com/press-releases/700457 Six years ago VW said they were going to be the top EV maker by 2018. That was bullshit. OK maybe they just got a bit delayed or whatever. It looks like they're doing something. But I'm going to wait until they've actually got some of this new-generation stuff they're talking about on the road before I make a judgement about how serious they are.

clouddrover 7y ago

> because none of them except maybe nissan appears to have made an effort to move past the existing legacy of gas engines Volkswagen's investment in EVs is bigger than any other company's, including Tesla: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insight-idUSKCN1PV0K4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insig...

NotSammyHagar 7y ago
with little to show for it so far. it's not impossible that they have an impact. but not much so far. these companies also have limited battery supplies, which limits their sales.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  Here's Volkswagen's EV lineup for the next 18 months. They're targeting everything from the low end to the high end: - VW e-Up!: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/vws-updated-e-up-offers-161-mile-range-costs-less-than-its-predecessor/ https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/vws-updated-e-up-offers-16... - VW e-Golf (will be replaced by the ID.3, but still available): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0 - VW ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4HO6GHC8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4HO6GHC8Q - VW ID.4: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/volkswagen-id-4-2020-electric-suv-tests-alongside-id-3 https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-mot... - SEAT Mii: https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-order-soon-for-20650e/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/11/seat-mii-available-to-o... - SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZI7WFtwc8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZI7WFtwc8g - Cupra Tavascan (maybe, not confirmed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYHRKp4n1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNYHRKp4n1w - Skoda Citigo iV: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-motor-show/new-skoda-citigo-e-iv-arrives-frankfurt https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-frankfurt-mot... - Skoda Vision iV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E - Audi e-tron (and also a new "sportsback" variant): https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-e-tron https://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-e-tron - Audi e-tron Q4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU - Audi e-tron GT (maybe 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEdiq2xTbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMEdiq2xTbQ - Porsche Taycan (and the Cross Turismo variant in future): https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/ https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    I have to say, that is a lot of cars. Hope they succeed. I want evs to start to be seriously pursued by 'existing' ;-) auto makers but it's been a slow slog.
codeulike 7y ago
Most of the 80 billion euros mentioned in that article is future spending, they havent spent it yet. VW certainly do _seem_ to be going for it but we're still yet to have any ID3s on the road and they _still_ havent been clear on what range you get for what price with the ID3. I agree that VW _seem_ serious but there have been so many announcements over the last decade from various manufacturers saying 'we take evs seriously and we're going to do X,Y and Z' and the vast majority of those statements have been bullshit. e.g. here's a statement from VW in 2013 September 9, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- The Volkswagen Group has set its sights on global market leadership in electric mobility. "We are starting at exactly the right time. We are electrifying all vehicle classes, and therefore have everything we need to make the Volkswagen Group the top automaker in all respects, including electric mobility, by 2018", Prof. Dr. Martin Winterkorn, CEO of Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft, said on the eve of the 65th International Motor Show in Frankfurt am Main. https://tass.com/press-releases/700457 https://tass.com/press-releases/700457 Six years ago VW said they were going to be the top EV maker by 2018. That was bullshit. OK maybe they just got a bit delayed or whatever. It looks like they're doing something. But I'm going to wait until they've actually got some of this new-generation stuff they're talking about on the road before I make a judgement about how serious they are.