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React and it's cousin in tow, Redux put food on my table. But like a famous HN comment said: how many startups have been burn out due to the complexity of wirin

by dzonga 7y ago

React and it's cousin in tow, Redux put food on my table. But like a famous HN comment said: how many startups have been burn out due to the complexity of wiring up those two powerful tools. I think frankly, when comparing frontend frameworks the benchmarks should be 1. lines of code, since that determines delivery 2. ease of maintenance as that enables easy to add new features 3. how fast the app executes on the customers device. And frankly React + Redux results in writing a lot of code

franciscop 7y ago
I agree, but with CRA + JSX + React Hooks usercode is a lot terser. I tried React around 2014-2015 and hated it, now I really like it. Besides declarative programming, styled components has been a life changer for the better. I'm still torn with Redux though, seems great for big projects/teams, but total overkill for small ones. I wrote a small alternative for my personal projects (https://github.com/franciscop/statux https://github.com/franciscop/statux), what do you think about how it'd fare with your points? Looking for improvements, and I saw a bug once (though I haven't been able to reproduce and not 100% sure it was within the lib).
- ericmcer 7y ago
  This is super true, React/Redux with hooks is really nice to work with. If you use the redux hook it is super apparent what is coming from store, what is coming from external props and what is internal state. It makes it dead easy to cold read a components functionality and super simple to detect code smells.
lsalvatore 7y ago
How many startups burnt out writing Backbone and jQuery apps? React and Redux are solving a flaw with design architecture, in addition to performance improvements, like managing the DOM updates for you based on state. Startups aren't burning out because of these technologies, which immensely help building large applications.
rinchik 7y ago
1. Redundancy is not necessarily bad. Just learn to recognize the balance (that’s where seniority comes in) 2. LOC is a pretty outdated measure of productivity (forget about estimations of deliverability). It’s fun to watch tge stats but in no way LOC stats can tell you about productivity, performance, or reliability.

by dzonga 7y ago

franciscop 7y ago

I agree, but with CRA + JSX + React Hooks usercode is a lot terser. I tried React around 2014-2015 and hated it, now I really like it. Besides declarative programming, styled components has been a life changer for the better. I'm still torn with Redux though, seems great for big projects/teams, but total overkill for small ones. I wrote a small alternative for my personal projects (https://github.com/franciscop/statux https://github.com/franciscop/statux), what do you think about how it'd fare with your points? Looking for improvements, and I saw a bug once (though I haven't been able to reproduce and not 100% sure it was within the lib).

ericmcer 7y ago
This is super true, React/Redux with hooks is really nice to work with. If you use the redux hook it is super apparent what is coming from store, what is coming from external props and what is internal state. It makes it dead easy to cold read a components functionality and super simple to detect code smells.

lsalvatore 7y ago

How many startups burnt out writing Backbone and jQuery apps? React and Redux are solving a flaw with design architecture, in addition to performance improvements, like managing the DOM updates for you based on state. Startups aren't burning out because of these technologies, which immensely help building large applications.

rinchik 7y ago

1. Redundancy is not necessarily bad. Just learn to recognize the balance (that’s where seniority comes in) 2. LOC is a pretty outdated measure of productivity (forget about estimations of deliverability). It’s fun to watch tge stats but in no way LOC stats can tell you about productivity, performance, or reliability.