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Hold up, is there something wrong with: 1. the #metoo movement 2. the idea that someone would want to tell their side of a famous story ? Even ignoring the

• saul_goodman 7y ago
  Uh, yes, there is something very wrong with #1. Certainly exposing bad actors is good. But making all men the enemy is even worse and that's what that movement turned into. And anyone who thinks this RMS story is casually coming up now by random chance is naive. Stallman is under active attacked and the storm has not finished raging. You can disagree on whether it's deserved, but it's VERY old news that was done with ages ago, so why are we discussing this now? Oh right, there's blood in the water, let the frenzy begin...
  • xnyan 7y ago
    All men are the enemy of the #metoo movement? If your going to speak in a hyperbolic way, it makes me want to dismiss what you say as an emotional reaction rather than one based in fact. "And anyone who thinks this RMS story is casually coming up now by random chance is naive" Do you have any evidence of this, or is this something you feel to be true?
  • djsumdog 7y ago
    Heidi Matthews's is a Canadian law professor who's done interviews with several different podcasts about all the issues with the #metoo movement. I highly recommend listening to her. On the surface, bringing attention to sexual abuse is not bad and it is important to bring out how much of it exists. At the same time, prosecution requires evidence and it's very difficult to prove these types of crimes. Many people prominent in the metoo movement want legislative changes, which are quite worrisome. RMS is an interesting case. He is a weird one. He's idealistic, in some cases to a fault. The guy refuses to buy AmTrak tickets because he can't buy them in cash and doesn't want to be tracked. I can admire is idealism in some ways, even thought it is a bit extreme. He also has rubbed a number of women the wrong way, is a kinda weird dude, and has a lot of controversial political opinions. I do agree his words from the original e-mails were twisted in most of the call outs for him to be removed. It may have still been a stupid thing to say, but there is discussion and then there's like "You need to go," and the later is happening a lot right now and it's pretty distributing. It has a chilling effect and it's going to make more people afraid to say anything. I highly recommend the book The Coddling of the American Mind, which goes into depth on this new emergent call-out culture in academia today.
  • watwut 7y ago
    I think that what happens is that when people were wronged in the past, they don't get amnesia. They talk about it when topic becomes relevant or associated. People have memory. When people were wronged a lot in the past, they remember it bitterly a lot. Which again, makes them even more likely to recall it and talk about it when those who wronged them are talked about and suddenly not untouchable.
  • smcl 7y ago
    We're not going to see eye to eye on #1 - it is most certainly not about making all men the enemy. I suggest you ask the women in your life about it and take extra care to listen to what they have to say.
• ernst_klim 7y ago
  > the #metoo movement metoo is fine until any name is called. Then it becomes witchhunt, where the hunted victims couldn't properly defend themselves, as they could in a proper judicial trial. In many parts of Europe (Germany and France for example), you can't call names, you would be sued for that, even if the story is true. > the idea that someone would want to tell their side of a famous story Accusation of stealing is a pretty strong claim, if it's a lie, it's a bad thing of course.