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> Why make this argument, every time. Because it underlines the fallacy of appealing to an alleged right to cecede. > Its not made in good faith and obviously

> Why make this argument, every time. Because it underlines the fallacy of appealing to an alleged right to cecede. > Its not made in good faith and obviously nobody is discussing one-person states. Strawman, and one that's based on a disingenuous premise. It's quite clear that the argument is on whether to draw the line of when a minority has your so called right to cecede. You already admit that your so called right to cecede is absurd and ridiculous if only one person wants out. How about two? Do you believe a couple has the right to cecede? How about two dozen persons? Two hundred? Do you believe a couple of appartment blocks have the right to cecede? Or is the whole idea and concept entirely absurd, and only pointed out as a self-serving tautology?

andratwiro 7y ago
Do this dozen people have: - a different language? - a well defined culture? - a political composition which differs greatly to that the rest of the country? (check the representation of the PP and PSOE) If you are interested in discussing the reality of the Spanish situation, it is pretty clear where this right of seccesion might want to get exercised (Basque Country, Galicia...) and for sound, historical reasons.
- iagovar 7y ago
  > Galicia We clearly don't.
  - andratwiro 7y ago
    Well, there are historical reasons for that too, Franco's repression on Galicia was brutal, but I agree nowadays BNG support is not comparable to the ones in Catalonia. I was just listing regions that might have historical reasons and even parties with strong independent ideals, versus a group of friends wanting to separate from Spain for the sake of the argument.
deltron3030 7y ago
The right to secede is important because it's democratic by nature, the majority who runs the state has to arrange with the minorities to not lose them. And if this arrangement is successful there are no rational reasons to secede. I'd even say that countries that don't allow secessions aren't true democracies at the lowest level.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > The right to secede is important because it's democratic by nature It really isn't, as it purposely excludes portions of the electorate that don't support the idea.

andratwiro 7y ago

Do this dozen people have: - a different language? - a well defined culture? - a political composition which differs greatly to that the rest of the country? (check the representation of the PP and PSOE) If you are interested in discussing the reality of the Spanish situation, it is pretty clear where this right of seccesion might want to get exercised (Basque Country, Galicia...) and for sound, historical reasons.

iagovar 7y ago
> Galicia We clearly don't.
- andratwiro 7y ago
  Well, there are historical reasons for that too, Franco's repression on Galicia was brutal, but I agree nowadays BNG support is not comparable to the ones in Catalonia. I was just listing regions that might have historical reasons and even parties with strong independent ideals, versus a group of friends wanting to separate from Spain for the sake of the argument.

deltron3030 7y ago

The right to secede is important because it's democratic by nature, the majority who runs the state has to arrange with the minorities to not lose them. And if this arrangement is successful there are no rational reasons to secede. I'd even say that countries that don't allow secessions aren't true democracies at the lowest level.

rumanator 7y ago
> The right to secede is important because it's democratic by nature It really isn't, as it purposely excludes portions of the electorate that don't support the idea.