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If that is the case, it might still be problematic to have a society that economically disadvantages ~50% of its members for what they naturally strive for. Of

by bschne 7y ago

If that is the case, it might still be problematic to have a society that economically disadvantages ~50% of its members for what they naturally strive for. Of course this gets philosophical and idealistic fast, but I think it's still worth considering even though it's not a simple design/engineering problem with some obvious perfect solution.

iroo9fkn 7y ago
That’s fine that it gets idealistic fast. It’s been shown again and again we buy products and services that we think help us be our ideal self. Improving ours situation is an innate motivator. It’s a fools errand to keep slicing this up into finer grained stats like we seem keen to do. A simple question: does my ideal self involve being a material consumer of disposable shit to prop up the gambling habits of others or is there another way for me? That’s about all it takes. Assuming we’re inventing long lasting discoveries for the future of humanity by iterating on smartphone design, and web apps is contemporary social vanity. Like the piousness wars of old, we’re battling each other for more attention of those higher up the ladder. Forgetting they’re only in charge because we allow it. If the environment is on the brink, and they continue to refuse to negotiate a better deal in good faith, it’ll be up to the public to take control of the political discourse via government again. I wonder if that’s why they spend so much time indoctrinating is against that.
remarkEon 7y ago
Ehh I'm not exactly convinced of this. There's a lot more factors to consider than raw earning potential, and I'm a little more inclined to be suspicious of trying to redirect people away from what they actually like to do.
repolfx 7y ago
How could it be otherwise? I naturally strive to stay in bed in the morning and do a lot of hobby projects. That's what I'd like to do, but I'd never argue that other people should be forced to pay me some sort of "bed bonus" to ensure that my natural strivings don't disadvantage me. At a company like SalesForce, most of the most skilled employees will be developers and most of them will be men, because women, by and large, do not find computers interesting. Anyone who's ever tried to engage women in an enthusiastic conversation about programming languages knows this is true. The resulting "pay gap" isn't a pay gap at all but an earnings gap: it's correct and as it should be.

by bschne 7y ago

iroo9fkn 7y ago

That’s fine that it gets idealistic fast. It’s been shown again and again we buy products and services that we think help us be our ideal self. Improving ours situation is an innate motivator. It’s a fools errand to keep slicing this up into finer grained stats like we seem keen to do. A simple question: does my ideal self involve being a material consumer of disposable shit to prop up the gambling habits of others or is there another way for me? That’s about all it takes. Assuming we’re inventing long lasting discoveries for the future of humanity by iterating on smartphone design, and web apps is contemporary social vanity. Like the piousness wars of old, we’re battling each other for more attention of those higher up the ladder. Forgetting they’re only in charge because we allow it. If the environment is on the brink, and they continue to refuse to negotiate a better deal in good faith, it’ll be up to the public to take control of the political discourse via government again. I wonder if that’s why they spend so much time indoctrinating is against that.

remarkEon 7y ago

Ehh I'm not exactly convinced of this. There's a lot more factors to consider than raw earning potential, and I'm a little more inclined to be suspicious of trying to redirect people away from what they actually like to do.

repolfx 7y ago

How could it be otherwise? I naturally strive to stay in bed in the morning and do a lot of hobby projects. That's what I'd like to do, but I'd never argue that other people should be forced to pay me some sort of "bed bonus" to ensure that my natural strivings don't disadvantage me. At a company like SalesForce, most of the most skilled employees will be developers and most of them will be men, because women, by and large, do not find computers interesting. Anyone who's ever tried to engage women in an enthusiastic conversation about programming languages knows this is true. The resulting "pay gap" isn't a pay gap at all but an earnings gap: it's correct and as it should be.