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> I’m very skeptical of this authoritarian market logic whereby we are told we must sacrifice others lives for the sake of “progress,” Then you should be _very

> I’m very skeptical of this authoritarian market logic whereby we are told we must sacrifice others lives for the sake of “progress,” Then you should be _very_ sceptical of the current state of affairs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in... https://www.newscientist.com/article/2196238-does-air-pollution-really-kill-nearly-9-million-people-each-year/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2196238-does-air-pollut...

claudeganon 7y ago
I am very skeptical of the place of the personal car in American life and the massive subsidies that automotive industry receives in terms of things like infrastructure and military defense of fossil fuels. But I also don't believe that autonomous cars are a good solution to these concerns relative to proven solutions like various forms of mass public transportation.
- standyro 7y ago
  They may not be a perfect solution but people already waste hours of their lives stuck in traffic and clearly hate riding the bus. Look at the stats for declines in mass transportation ridership since Lyft/Uber took the US by storm. I love rail and subways, particularly high speed rail, but currently because of so many reasons, it's expensive to build per mile in major cities. Affordable mass produced semi-autonomous vehicles will quickly improve lives. We're already on the cusp of it. I own two them. Tesla and Comma.ai are the functional autonomous vehicle equivalent of the Apple iPhone and the Android T-Mobile G1. And there's no reason these sorts of industries won't be massively subsidized by a future (perhaps more liberal) American government, once we move on from subsidizing companies who barely innovate (General Motors, etc)
twic 7y ago
Air pollution is completely orthogonal to the deployment of autonomous cars.

claudeganon 7y ago

I am very skeptical of the place of the personal car in American life and the massive subsidies that automotive industry receives in terms of things like infrastructure and military defense of fossil fuels. But I also don't believe that autonomous cars are a good solution to these concerns relative to proven solutions like various forms of mass public transportation.

standyro 7y ago
They may not be a perfect solution but people already waste hours of their lives stuck in traffic and clearly hate riding the bus. Look at the stats for declines in mass transportation ridership since Lyft/Uber took the US by storm. I love rail and subways, particularly high speed rail, but currently because of so many reasons, it's expensive to build per mile in major cities. Affordable mass produced semi-autonomous vehicles will quickly improve lives. We're already on the cusp of it. I own two them. Tesla and Comma.ai are the functional autonomous vehicle equivalent of the Apple iPhone and the Android T-Mobile G1. And there's no reason these sorts of industries won't be massively subsidized by a future (perhaps more liberal) American government, once we move on from subsidizing companies who barely innovate (General Motors, etc)

twic 7y ago

Air pollution is completely orthogonal to the deployment of autonomous cars.