4 ms·

I think the one annoying thing about Windows is the forced updates. Apple has started taking a leaf from Windows. A few weeks ago my system updated and asked to

I think the one annoying thing about Windows is the forced updates. Apple has started taking a leaf from Windows. A few weeks ago my system updated and asked to restart without giving me any choice of saying no.

The_rationalist 7y ago
This is necessary for security. Still you can trivially disable updates for a week or report them again and again. What would be nice though is if they developed a live patching system like the modern Linux kernel allow which means: Windows partial updates without rebooting.
- computerex 7y ago
  No operating system should update against the user's wishes. And this time the system didn't give me an option to delay, it simply let me know that it's about to restart and that I better save my work.
  - The_rationalist 7y ago
    Sometimes people must be protected from themselves. Still, windows should allow you to delay it many times until forcing you, it's a shame it doesn't.
    - computerex 7y ago
      I was talking about OSX. I think operating systems should make it very clear to the users what critical updates need to be installed, but they shouldn't force users to update against their will and interrupt their workflow. Something like this: > These critical security updates are essential for continuing safe and secure operation of your computer! > Critical security update x: allows an attacker to take control of your PC > Critical security update y: .... > Critical security update z: .... In the U.S at least we give people personal liberties over much more serious matters such as allowing people to refuse care in a medical context. The health of someone's personal PC is nothing next to that.
    - SanchoPanda 7y ago
      I agree this is the logic behind this situation - but sometimes, I want to use the Hole-Hawg to do the thing I want it to do. I am uncomfortable with losing that freedom. Further, there have been some updates labelled "security" such as in Windows 7, which were actually telemetry. I think the ability to do mandatory updates skewed the perspective of the team behind them as to what constitutes security (eg: this telemtry will help us catch dangerous work flows which do need a fix of some kind!). IMHO, when you take away users autonomy, you make them into the dumb users you fear.
    - mkl 7y ago
      My operating system should never destroy my work or force me to waste time manually getting back to the productive place I was. On Windows you can delay it many times (by scheduling the restart repeatedly a few days apart) but if you're not vigilant about doing that, it will just go ahead and destroy stuff.

The_rationalist 7y ago

This is necessary for security. Still you can trivially disable updates for a week or report them again and again. What would be nice though is if they developed a live patching system like the modern Linux kernel allow which means: Windows partial updates without rebooting.

computerex 7y ago
No operating system should update against the user's wishes. And this time the system didn't give me an option to delay, it simply let me know that it's about to restart and that I better save my work.
- The_rationalist 7y ago
  Sometimes people must be protected from themselves. Still, windows should allow you to delay it many times until forcing you, it's a shame it doesn't.
  - computerex 7y ago
    I was talking about OSX. I think operating systems should make it very clear to the users what critical updates need to be installed, but they shouldn't force users to update against their will and interrupt their workflow. Something like this: > These critical security updates are essential for continuing safe and secure operation of your computer! > Critical security update x: allows an attacker to take control of your PC > Critical security update y: .... > Critical security update z: .... In the U.S at least we give people personal liberties over much more serious matters such as allowing people to refuse care in a medical context. The health of someone's personal PC is nothing next to that.
  - SanchoPanda 7y ago
    I agree this is the logic behind this situation - but sometimes, I want to use the Hole-Hawg to do the thing I want it to do. I am uncomfortable with losing that freedom. Further, there have been some updates labelled "security" such as in Windows 7, which were actually telemetry. I think the ability to do mandatory updates skewed the perspective of the team behind them as to what constitutes security (eg: this telemtry will help us catch dangerous work flows which do need a fix of some kind!). IMHO, when you take away users autonomy, you make them into the dumb users you fear.
  - mkl 7y ago
    My operating system should never destroy my work or force me to waste time manually getting back to the productive place I was. On Windows you can delay it many times (by scheduling the restart repeatedly a few days apart) but if you're not vigilant about doing that, it will just go ahead and destroy stuff.