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This sucks, but... is NewPipe just a proxy to YouTube videos (and other services, it looks like) that excludes the ads? After a few pages, the linked github is

This sucks, but... is NewPipe just a proxy to YouTube videos (and other services, it looks like) that excludes the ads? After a few pages, the linked github issue devolves into discussions around "how Google could detect you're using NewPipe" instead of whether or not you should be allowed to use it. That makes me think it's more in the realm of "we know this is against the rules but you can secretly use it" rather than a grey area of what's allowed or not. It's more of a controversial take, but I'm honestly surprised people don't get banned for using Adblockers in general. This seems even worse than an adblocker (in that it just flat-out steals videos from YouTube and puts it in its own ad-less interface), so I'm not surprised that 1) it likely violates YouTube's terms and conditions, and 2) that violating YouTube's T&C is grounds for terminating your account.

whoisjuan 7y ago
Yes. This could be against YouTube TOS but losing your Google account which also gives you access to email, phone (if on Android), GSuite + anything that uses your email for authentication, is a horrible measure. I don't understand how this is grounds for terminating your account? Do you want to block me from using YouTube with this account? Fine. Do it, that's fair. But terminating the account, effectively blocking someone to access anything tied to that account is a "piece of shit" move.
- teslafanboi 7y ago
  circumventing their revenue model so you can steal their services for free is also a "piece of shit" move.
  - netsharc 7y ago
    I use NewPipe because I was tired of YouTube's dark patterns, and addiction-building related videos/autoplay. In NewPipe those things, as well as the YT comments, can be disabled... But well, maybe it's my way of justification. I already use an ad blocker on desktop and don't even notice that I don't get YT ads. Please don't ban me, Google!
- drusepth 7y ago
  I understand where this mindset comes from, but I think it (unfortunately) stems from YouTube originally being its own service and now being "part of Google" and sharing a single account now. I'm not sure if it's up to Google to remind users this is the case, but it'd certainly be helpful. If you Do Something Bad in Facebook Marketplace, I'd expect the entire Facebook account to be banned -- not just restricting access to where Bad Thing happened (FB Marketplace). Or, if you broke T&C on Amazon's marketplace, I'd expect your AWS account to be banned also. If you cheat in one game sold through Steam, your entire Steam account gets banned/penalized, not just your access to that one game. I can kind of understand why people think Google's services are different, but I'm not sure why that continues to be the case over time as we move further and further away from back when YouTube had its own accounts.
  - m-p-3 7y ago
    > If you cheat in one game sold through Steam, your entire Steam account gets banned/penalized, not just your access to that one game. Actually it depends on the anticheat system used by the game. Anything from Valve will use VAC, and cheating in a game using it will ban you from all games using it. Other games uses EAC, others BattlEye, etc. You won't get banned from all multiplayer games that you own.

whoisjuan 7y ago

Yes. This could be against YouTube TOS but losing your Google account which also gives you access to email, phone (if on Android), GSuite + anything that uses your email for authentication, is a horrible measure. I don't understand how this is grounds for terminating your account? Do you want to block me from using YouTube with this account? Fine. Do it, that's fair. But terminating the account, effectively blocking someone to access anything tied to that account is a "piece of shit" move.

teslafanboi 7y ago
circumventing their revenue model so you can steal their services for free is also a "piece of shit" move.
- netsharc 7y ago
  I use NewPipe because I was tired of YouTube's dark patterns, and addiction-building related videos/autoplay. In NewPipe those things, as well as the YT comments, can be disabled... But well, maybe it's my way of justification. I already use an ad blocker on desktop and don't even notice that I don't get YT ads. Please don't ban me, Google!
drusepth 7y ago
I understand where this mindset comes from, but I think it (unfortunately) stems from YouTube originally being its own service and now being "part of Google" and sharing a single account now. I'm not sure if it's up to Google to remind users this is the case, but it'd certainly be helpful. If you Do Something Bad in Facebook Marketplace, I'd expect the entire Facebook account to be banned -- not just restricting access to where Bad Thing happened (FB Marketplace). Or, if you broke T&C on Amazon's marketplace, I'd expect your AWS account to be banned also. If you cheat in one game sold through Steam, your entire Steam account gets banned/penalized, not just your access to that one game. I can kind of understand why people think Google's services are different, but I'm not sure why that continues to be the case over time as we move further and further away from back when YouTube had its own accounts.
- m-p-3 7y ago
  > If you cheat in one game sold through Steam, your entire Steam account gets banned/penalized, not just your access to that one game. Actually it depends on the anticheat system used by the game. Anything from Valve will use VAC, and cheating in a game using it will ban you from all games using it. Other games uses EAC, others BattlEye, etc. You won't get banned from all multiplayer games that you own.