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Nonsense. You have no ownership claim to the domain gmail.com. You are merely renting it, and for free no less! Stop acting entitled. If you want ownership, t

Nonsense. You have no ownership claim to the domain gmail.com. You are merely renting it, and for free no less! Stop acting entitled. If you want ownership, the option already exists, and it’s easy: get your own domain. That’s yours to keep and manage as you see fit, with Gmail a possible service attached to it as you see fit.

echelon 7y ago
You're speaking from a position of knowing how the technology works and understanding how difficult this would be to implement. But your attitude seems to convey that you find this behavior acceptable. The majority of people don't have the tech know how to do what you're saying. Are we to leave them unrepresented and vulnerable? How many other people has this happened to that haven't been able to file bug reports on Github? The solution here isn't a fine. Companies just laugh at those and continue on with business as usual. The real fix is to take Gmail (and the domain) away from Google. I'll be voting for legislators with the nerve to do this.
ben_w 7y ago
> You have no ownership claim to the domain gmail.com. You are merely renting it, and for free no less! Irrelevant, and also true of phone numbers (not accounts, numbers). > Stop acting entitled. If you want ownership, the option already exists, and it’s easy: get your own domain. You and I can do that easily. Doesn’t mean other people can. Division of skills and focusing on what you’re good at is a foundational principal of our global economy. On the other hand, making a thing available at below cost so as to push the competition out of business sounds to me like an “unfair monopoly”.
magashna 7y ago
I must assume that you built your own cell phone, erected your own service towers, wired them to the rest of the grid, and have service agreements with other providers allowing you to connect @josteink's homegrown phone network to everyone else.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  How is a natural monopoly comparable to a free email service that you have a million alternatives to? No one is stopping anyone from paying Fastmail or using a slew of other services than Google, other than people’s unwillingness to pay for things.
  - ben_w 7y ago
    What natural monopoly? I have a choice of mobile phone service providers, so you can’t have meant that. If any of the phone companies had made themselves free, I’d ask if they really had a viable business or if they were instead trying to undermine any potential competitors in order to create a monopoly.
    - lotsofpulp 7y ago
      The US has 4 mobile network providers. Sprint is useless, Tmobile is okay in certain areas, but really, the 2 with nationwide coverage are ATT and Verizon. In my experience, Verizon coverage is more solid than ATT, but in general these are the 2 networks that provide the most comprehensive coverage. A natural monopoly exists anywhere there are extremely high infrastructure costs, such as running pipes and wires to every home. The same thing exists with mobile networks, as it requires towers everywhere.
      - ben_w 7y ago
        The towers can usefully overlap, in a way that pipes and cables don’t, so I disagree with you about it counting as a monopoly. And that’s without roaming, which I don’t understand, as it means I have cheaper mobile minutes/texts/data in the USA and Germany than most locals.

echelon 7y ago

You're speaking from a position of knowing how the technology works and understanding how difficult this would be to implement. But your attitude seems to convey that you find this behavior acceptable. The majority of people don't have the tech know how to do what you're saying. Are we to leave them unrepresented and vulnerable? How many other people has this happened to that haven't been able to file bug reports on Github? The solution here isn't a fine. Companies just laugh at those and continue on with business as usual. The real fix is to take Gmail (and the domain) away from Google. I'll be voting for legislators with the nerve to do this.

ben_w 7y ago

> You have no ownership claim to the domain gmail.com. You are merely renting it, and for free no less! Irrelevant, and also true of phone numbers (not accounts, numbers). > Stop acting entitled. If you want ownership, the option already exists, and it’s easy: get your own domain. You and I can do that easily. Doesn’t mean other people can. Division of skills and focusing on what you’re good at is a foundational principal of our global economy. On the other hand, making a thing available at below cost so as to push the competition out of business sounds to me like an “unfair monopoly”.

magashna 7y ago

I must assume that you built your own cell phone, erected your own service towers, wired them to the rest of the grid, and have service agreements with other providers allowing you to connect @josteink's homegrown phone network to everyone else.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
How is a natural monopoly comparable to a free email service that you have a million alternatives to? No one is stopping anyone from paying Fastmail or using a slew of other services than Google, other than people’s unwillingness to pay for things.
- ben_w 7y ago
  What natural monopoly? I have a choice of mobile phone service providers, so you can’t have meant that. If any of the phone companies had made themselves free, I’d ask if they really had a viable business or if they were instead trying to undermine any potential competitors in order to create a monopoly.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    The US has 4 mobile network providers. Sprint is useless, Tmobile is okay in certain areas, but really, the 2 with nationwide coverage are ATT and Verizon. In my experience, Verizon coverage is more solid than ATT, but in general these are the 2 networks that provide the most comprehensive coverage. A natural monopoly exists anywhere there are extremely high infrastructure costs, such as running pipes and wires to every home. The same thing exists with mobile networks, as it requires towers everywhere.
    - ben_w 7y ago
      The towers can usefully overlap, in a way that pipes and cables don’t, so I disagree with you about it counting as a monopoly. And that’s without roaming, which I don’t understand, as it means I have cheaper mobile minutes/texts/data in the USA and Germany than most locals.