Libreoffice for the former. Honestly, I deal with that stuff so rarely nowadays that I could probably get away with like, going to the library for it even if LO

Libreoffice for the former. Honestly, I deal with that stuff so rarely nowadays that I could probably get away with like, going to the library for it even if LO didn't exist. I don't deal with proprietary IoT things. If I did I probably would KVM it, yeah. I generally just don't care about things that aren't supported. Probably not the answer you're looking for, but there it is.