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I watched over 100 Tesla Smart Summon videos–here’s what I learned

5 points by close04 7y ago

close04 7y ago
Looking at the video [0] of someone "summoning" their Model3 from across the street, and into oncoming traffic, forcing other drivers to slam on the brakes to avoid impact I can't help but wonder if any of the drivers doing this are charged in any way for recklessness. Just because the accident was avoided at the last minute doesn't make it ok. The driver still showed a lot of disregard for the safety of others. [0] https://twitter.com/eiddor/status/1177749574976462848 https://twitter.com/eiddor/status/1177749574976462848
- popotamonga 7y ago
  Also the video with the car not stopping on the stop sign. Who gets a ticket?
  - ChikkaChiChi 7y ago
    The person controlling the car.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  "Solutions Architect @Cisco", what can you say?
Traster 7y ago
Tesla's approach to safety seems to be 1. Overstate the capabilities of features, 2. Technical ensure that customers retain liability. It allows them to do two things simultaneously - claim an amazing step forward in autonomous driving, whilst in reality delivering a relatively trivial feature to the customer. The problem is when customers behave how they've been told to behave by Tesla's advertising, and, for example, summon their car in a busy parking lot. I don't want to be overly negative about this, but I thought Tesla was telling us that we'd be getting fully autonomous vehicles by the end of the year, here we are in Q4 and we've got a feature that'll driveat walking speed, doesn't correctly react to traffic or pedestrians and requires constantly line of sight. It just feels to me like Uber before they replaced Travis - constantly repeating the same mistakes until it becomes an existential threat. This is not a company that is showing the level of responsibility that we should expect from someone trying to sell completely autonomous vehicles.
dopylitty 7y ago
It's time for governments to ban any auto-driving system which allows for autonomous steering until there exists a framework for validating that such a system is capable of dealing with 100% of situations that a reasonable driver would be able to handle.
- close04 7y ago
  The driver is still fully responsible for whatever happens with the car. So whether the car steered autonomously or the driver turned the wheel it makes little difference from a legal perspective. Perhaps it would just be an aggravating factor that you intentionally let a system that is unable to fully perform the action of driving do this on a public road. Like letting a 6 year old drive.
  - homonculus1 7y ago
    Then again, no car manufacturer gets a regulatory pass on selling 6-year-old drivers as a feature.
ChikkaChiChi 7y ago
Drivers make many judgement calls that we take for granted. These are just a few good examples of the hurdles that have to be overcome before autonomous driving becomes a reality.

5 points by close04 7y ago

Looking at the video [0] of someone "summoning" their Model3 from across the street, and into oncoming traffic, forcing other drivers to slam on the brakes to avoid impact I can't help but wonder if any of the drivers doing this are charged in any way for recklessness. Just because the accident was avoided at the last minute doesn't make it ok. The driver still showed a lot of disregard for the safety of others. [0] https://twitter.com/eiddor/status/1177749574976462848 https://twitter.com/eiddor/status/1177749574976462848

popotamonga 7y ago
Also the video with the car not stopping on the stop sign. Who gets a ticket?
- ChikkaChiChi 7y ago
  The person controlling the car.
tonyedgecombe 7y ago
"Solutions Architect @Cisco", what can you say?

Traster 7y ago

Tesla's approach to safety seems to be 1. Overstate the capabilities of features, 2. Technical ensure that customers retain liability. It allows them to do two things simultaneously - claim an amazing step forward in autonomous driving, whilst in reality delivering a relatively trivial feature to the customer. The problem is when customers behave how they've been told to behave by Tesla's advertising, and, for example, summon their car in a busy parking lot. I don't want to be overly negative about this, but I thought Tesla was telling us that we'd be getting fully autonomous vehicles by the end of the year, here we are in Q4 and we've got a feature that'll driveat walking speed, doesn't correctly react to traffic or pedestrians and requires constantly line of sight. It just feels to me like Uber before they replaced Travis - constantly repeating the same mistakes until it becomes an existential threat. This is not a company that is showing the level of responsibility that we should expect from someone trying to sell completely autonomous vehicles.

dopylitty 7y ago

It's time for governments to ban any auto-driving system which allows for autonomous steering until there exists a framework for validating that such a system is capable of dealing with 100% of situations that a reasonable driver would be able to handle.

close04 7y ago
The driver is still fully responsible for whatever happens with the car. So whether the car steered autonomously or the driver turned the wheel it makes little difference from a legal perspective. Perhaps it would just be an aggravating factor that you intentionally let a system that is unable to fully perform the action of driving do this on a public road. Like letting a 6 year old drive.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  Then again, no car manufacturer gets a regulatory pass on selling 6-year-old drivers as a feature.

ChikkaChiChi 7y ago

Drivers make many judgement calls that we take for granted. These are just a few good examples of the hurdles that have to be overcome before autonomous driving becomes a reality.