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12 accused: * 4 are sentenced for sedition and embezzlement * 5 for sedition * 3 for disobedience Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democra

12 accused: * 4 are sentenced for sedition and embezzlement * 5 for sedition * 3 for disobedience Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democratic state but of course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'.

harperlee 7y ago
0 people for “trying to vote” 0 people for “their ideas” 0 people for “peaceful demonstration” Etc. Please read everything about this issue with a grain of salt in both sides, it is heavily politicized to the point of reality being sidetracked. Even the prime minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, showed today grave misinformation on the ruling through a tweet.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  So what do you think "sedition" means?
  - harperlee 7y ago
    Public uprising against established order. Which is a) something any legal system prosecutes, and b) something these people did. There is also in Spain a aggravating case for doing this from a public role, which seems reasonable and also applies to some of these individuals.
    - FDSGSG 7y ago
      Ok, but that's not generally what sedition means
      - harperlee 7y ago
        Irrespective of the undertones that you read in the word, that is what they are being judged for. It has a precise technical meaning in the law. And I’d like to know if there is any country whatsoever in which public uprising against the state from a government official, using public funds, and in the manner carried out by them in this case, is not prosecuted.
        andratwiro 7y ago
        You have to take into account that this is not a military uprising of a few people, its a pacific protest from politicians who represent almost half of the Catalan votes. There are plenty of examples where people have been pardoned in Spain for more ethically questionable reasons [1]. This, in contrast, is a clear case where it should be resolved politically, not through the legal system. [1] https://civio.es/el-indultometro/2013/05/06/saenz/ https://civio.es/el-indultometro/2013/05/06/saenz/
        harperlee 7y ago
        The political pardon must come after the judicial trial, and comes from different, independent, branches of government.
FDSGSG 7y ago
>course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'. Sounds like they are correct. It's absolutely shocking to see an European country jailing people for the "crime" of sedition. Misuse of funds by itself would be much harder to argue against.
dwild 7y ago
> Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democratic state but of course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'. Under a state they voted against is a pretty important point. Under a state they weren't even allowed to vote against. Under a state they were actively trying to separate from.

harperlee 7y ago

0 people for “trying to vote” 0 people for “their ideas” 0 people for “peaceful demonstration” Etc. Please read everything about this issue with a grain of salt in both sides, it is heavily politicized to the point of reality being sidetracked. Even the prime minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, showed today grave misinformation on the ruling through a tweet.

FDSGSG 7y ago
So what do you think "sedition" means?
- harperlee 7y ago
  Public uprising against established order. Which is a) something any legal system prosecutes, and b) something these people did. There is also in Spain a aggravating case for doing this from a public role, which seems reasonable and also applies to some of these individuals.
  - FDSGSG 7y ago
    Ok, but that's not generally what sedition means
    - harperlee 7y ago
      Irrespective of the undertones that you read in the word, that is what they are being judged for. It has a precise technical meaning in the law. And I’d like to know if there is any country whatsoever in which public uprising against the state from a government official, using public funds, and in the manner carried out by them in this case, is not prosecuted.
      - andratwiro 7y ago
        You have to take into account that this is not a military uprising of a few people, its a pacific protest from politicians who represent almost half of the Catalan votes. There are plenty of examples where people have been pardoned in Spain for more ethically questionable reasons [1]. This, in contrast, is a clear case where it should be resolved politically, not through the legal system. [1] https://civio.es/el-indultometro/2013/05/06/saenz/ https://civio.es/el-indultometro/2013/05/06/saenz/
        harperlee 7y ago
        The political pardon must come after the judicial trial, and comes from different, independent, branches of government.

FDSGSG 7y ago

>course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'. Sounds like they are correct. It's absolutely shocking to see an European country jailing people for the "crime" of sedition. Misuse of funds by itself would be much harder to argue against.

dwild 7y ago

> Their actions have been judged under the laws of a democratic state but of course Secessionist propaganda calls it 'Fascism'. Under a state they voted against is a pretty important point. Under a state they weren't even allowed to vote against. Under a state they were actively trying to separate from.