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by samuel 7y ago

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yeahforsureman 7y ago
I don't think this is relevant for the judgments in question if there was no incitement to violence or comparable from the convicted.
- samuel 7y ago
  Good point! That was one of the things that were at stake at the trial.
ryanlol 7y ago
I don't think your single chair-throwing video is anywhere near enough to paint the entire independence movement as the violent aggressors. Compare those clips to these https://spanishpolice.github.io/ https://spanishpolice.github.io/
- samuel 7y ago
  > substantial evidence that there was violence involved. This was your original claim. You are implicitely withdrawing it and moving the goalpost to "evidence of substantial violence"(which is ok, but it was so easy to rebate in its original form that couldn't resist). BTW, states have the monopoly of violence which makes the comparison complicated to asses to anyone who believes in representative democracy and the separation of powers(policemen were trying to execute a court order, no less and no more). You can keep your 500$, I already knew you were bluffing. Regarding the issue you are bringing. Yes, the police intervention was a massive clusterfuck. It was impossible to stop the so called "referendum" without the complete cooperation of catalan police and the civil guard and national police cops were sent to an impossible mission. Some of them misbehave, probably out of frustration and fear/anger. This is something a policemen should never do. If that's your point I could agree.
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  - ryanlol 7y ago
    >This was your original claim. You are implicitely withdrawing it and moving the goalpost Oh fuck off, you knew the context. oliverx0 was trying to paint the independendistas as the violent aggressors, which was obviously what I wanted evidence of. It's obvious that the police went out of their way to incite a violent response, and utterly failed. All you can find is a single chair-throwing incident while it's easy to find hundreds of incidents of cops attacking peaceful voters. >You can keep your 500$, I already knew you were bluffing. You're a scumbag intentionally misinterpreting me in order to call me a liar. I would recommend you refrain from this kind of silly personal attacks in the future, you never know just how much they might cost you. And FWIW, I'm not bluffing. I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is, please name any nice (you know, not the daily stormer or ISIS) bitcoin accepting charity and I'll give them $500 just to prove that you're utterly full of shit. I won't give you the money though, as you did nothing to earn it. (However my original offer will still stand after my $500 donation to the charity of your choice!)

by samuel 7y ago

yeahforsureman 7y ago

I don't think this is relevant for the judgments in question if there was no incitement to violence or comparable from the convicted.

samuel 7y ago
Good point! That was one of the things that were at stake at the trial.

ryanlol 7y ago

I don't think your single chair-throwing video is anywhere near enough to paint the entire independence movement as the violent aggressors. Compare those clips to these https://spanishpolice.github.io/ https://spanishpolice.github.io/

samuel 7y ago
> substantial evidence that there was violence involved. This was your original claim. You are implicitely withdrawing it and moving the goalpost to "evidence of substantial violence"(which is ok, but it was so easy to rebate in its original form that couldn't resist). BTW, states have the monopoly of violence which makes the comparison complicated to asses to anyone who believes in representative democracy and the separation of powers(policemen were trying to execute a court order, no less and no more). You can keep your 500$, I already knew you were bluffing. Regarding the issue you are bringing. Yes, the police intervention was a massive clusterfuck. It was impossible to stop the so called "referendum" without the complete cooperation of catalan police and the civil guard and national police cops were sent to an impossible mission. Some of them misbehave, probably out of frustration and fear/anger. This is something a policemen should never do. If that's your point I could agree.
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- ryanlol 7y ago
  >This was your original claim. You are implicitely withdrawing it and moving the goalpost Oh fuck off, you knew the context. oliverx0 was trying to paint the independendistas as the violent aggressors, which was obviously what I wanted evidence of. It's obvious that the police went out of their way to incite a violent response, and utterly failed. All you can find is a single chair-throwing incident while it's easy to find hundreds of incidents of cops attacking peaceful voters. >You can keep your 500$, I already knew you were bluffing. You're a scumbag intentionally misinterpreting me in order to call me a liar. I would recommend you refrain from this kind of silly personal attacks in the future, you never know just how much they might cost you. And FWIW, I'm not bluffing. I'm more than happy to put my money where my mouth is, please name any nice (you know, not the daily stormer or ISIS) bitcoin accepting charity and I'll give them $500 just to prove that you're utterly full of shit. I won't give you the money though, as you did nothing to earn it. (However my original offer will still stand after my $500 donation to the charity of your choice!)