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They did, because the central government have refused to agree to talk with them. If the central government had played ball and allowed a real election over ind

They did, because the central government have refused to agree to talk with them. If the central government had played ball and allowed a real election over independence, then the whole thing wouldn't have happened.

squeezingswirls 7y ago
The Spanish government can't talk or agree on having an illegal election about a portion of people deciding about National sovereignty. Article 1.2 - Spanish Constitution: 'National sovereignty is vested in the Spanish people, from whom emanate the powers of the State.' http://www.congreso.es/constitucion/ficheros/c78/cons_ingl.pdf http://www.congreso.es/constitucion/ficheros/c78/cons_ingl.p...
- harperlee 7y ago
  Exactly. What proindependence needs to do to try to have their way legally is to work towards a whole restructuring of the constitution. They just don’t care for that, they took an illegal shortcut, misusing funds in the process.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    That's like telling a poor person that they just have to try to win the lottery. Everyone on both sides knows there's no chance in hell the rest of Spain will ever accept secession. Telling them to accept that is honest, pretending there is another path with any real chance of succeeding isn't.
    - harperlee 7y ago
      I think that metaphor is not very apt, nor neutral. Catalonia is not poor in political power by any means, they have been pushing very successfully for years towards decentralization towards Barcelona. And winning the lottery is random, you can’t really negotiate. In my opinion there are huge stresses in Spain that will open the can of worms that is redefining the Constitution during the next decades. Republicanism, decentralization, chunks of the constitution that nobody really puts in practice, etc. That wont happen in 2 days. But it can happen.

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They did, because the central government have refused to agree to talk with them. If the central government had played ball and allowed a real election over ind

by yxhuvud 7y ago

squeezingswirls 7y ago
The Spanish government can't talk or agree on having an illegal election about a portion of people deciding about National sovereignty. Article 1.2 - Spanish Constitution: 'National sovereignty is vested in the Spanish people, from whom emanate the powers of the State.' http://www.congreso.es/constitucion/ficheros/c78/cons_ingl.pdf http://www.congreso.es/constitucion/ficheros/c78/cons_ingl.p...
- harperlee 7y ago
  Exactly. What proindependence needs to do to try to have their way legally is to work towards a whole restructuring of the constitution. They just don’t care for that, they took an illegal shortcut, misusing funds in the process.
  - icebraining 7y ago
    That's like telling a poor person that they just have to try to win the lottery. Everyone on both sides knows there's no chance in hell the rest of Spain will ever accept secession. Telling them to accept that is honest, pretending there is another path with any real chance of succeeding isn't.
    - harperlee 7y ago
      I think that metaphor is not very apt, nor neutral. Catalonia is not poor in political power by any means, they have been pushing very successfully for years towards decentralization towards Barcelona. And winning the lottery is random, you can’t really negotiate. In my opinion there are huge stresses in Spain that will open the can of worms that is redefining the Constitution during the next decades. Republicanism, decentralization, chunks of the constitution that nobody really puts in practice, etc. That wont happen in 2 days. But it can happen.