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Yep. Well, then I'll won't marry anyone, because if the other part doesn't want to divorce, then you're married for life. At least you get to choose who do you

Yep. Well, then I'll won't marry anyone, because if the other part doesn't want to divorce, then you're married for life. At least you get to choose who do you marry. (A referendum is what was requested for years). I don't get the fierce defense of the unity thing, sorry. There's people demanding a referendum (as seen in Scotland) you just put them in jail, problem solved.

close04 7y ago
That's a very bad analogy because you use it opposite from how the situation is. A marriage exists within the context of state laws. The same state laws that say you can divorce also say you can't secede. So trying to secede is like trying to prohibit your partner from divorcing you. And yes, if you try to tie down your partner to stay with you it's exactly like trying to cut the ties that hold a state together. Any criminal could just "vote" that what they did is legal. How would that work?
- gerardnll 7y ago
  Yes, the same laws that do not allow a gay marriage or women voting, or allow 14 hours shifts, or slavery. Law is not my bible, I may have to obey it, but I can form my own opinions against it and fight for it.
  - close04 7y ago
    > Law is not my bible Sure, form opinions, ask for change, make it better if you and others see fit. You don't even have to follow he law. You just have to understand that if you break it you get punished. So as long as the law is there and you break it you are a criminal whether you believe in it or not. What you said is exactly the kind of excuse any criminal would use: "I'm not guilty because I don't believe in that law". Which seems to match perfectly with the reasoning used in the dozens of comment you posted about this, alongside some bad examples and analogies that attempt to support it.
samuel 7y ago
Marriage is a overused analogy that's pretty wrong if you ask me. It's only useful if you want elicit a "beaten wife" kind of comparison. There are other kinds of contracts(marriage is a contract), where one of the partners can't just walk away from it with its share of the assets. > There's people demanding a referendum (as seen in Scotland) you just put them in jail, problem solved. It only seems a good example because it didn't pass. I bet it would be a worse-than-Brexit one if it had. The reality is that a country(a modern state) is built over a thousand of trade-offs that can't be just decided in a referendum. I wish it would be that easy. I'm pretty tired of this mess.
- gerardnll 7y ago
  Well, we can also look for an analogy of 'beaten wife' in an state.
  - samuel 7y ago
    Only if you want to trigger an emotional response. Territories aren't beings.

close04 7y ago

That's a very bad analogy because you use it opposite from how the situation is. A marriage exists within the context of state laws. The same state laws that say you can divorce also say you can't secede. So trying to secede is like trying to prohibit your partner from divorcing you. And yes, if you try to tie down your partner to stay with you it's exactly like trying to cut the ties that hold a state together. Any criminal could just "vote" that what they did is legal. How would that work?

gerardnll 7y ago
Yes, the same laws that do not allow a gay marriage or women voting, or allow 14 hours shifts, or slavery. Law is not my bible, I may have to obey it, but I can form my own opinions against it and fight for it.
- close04 7y ago
  > Law is not my bible Sure, form opinions, ask for change, make it better if you and others see fit. You don't even have to follow he law. You just have to understand that if you break it you get punished. So as long as the law is there and you break it you are a criminal whether you believe in it or not. What you said is exactly the kind of excuse any criminal would use: "I'm not guilty because I don't believe in that law". Which seems to match perfectly with the reasoning used in the dozens of comment you posted about this, alongside some bad examples and analogies that attempt to support it.

samuel 7y ago

Marriage is a overused analogy that's pretty wrong if you ask me. It's only useful if you want elicit a "beaten wife" kind of comparison. There are other kinds of contracts(marriage is a contract), where one of the partners can't just walk away from it with its share of the assets. > There's people demanding a referendum (as seen in Scotland) you just put them in jail, problem solved. It only seems a good example because it didn't pass. I bet it would be a worse-than-Brexit one if it had. The reality is that a country(a modern state) is built over a thousand of trade-offs that can't be just decided in a referendum. I wish it would be that easy. I'm pretty tired of this mess.

gerardnll 7y ago
Well, we can also look for an analogy of 'beaten wife' in an state.
- samuel 7y ago
  Only if you want to trigger an emotional response. Territories aren't beings.