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I spent some time in Catalonia last year and asked everybody I met (probably about 5 dozen in all) what they thought of the movement. Most were against it, and
by jMyles 7y ago
I spent some time in Catalonia last year and asked everybody I met (probably about 5 dozen in all) what they thought of the movement. Most were against it, and of those who were in favor, there were three distinct flavors:
* People who simply identified as Catalan and wanted to have their own language and culture as a separate political and social unit
* People who were wealthy and had assets to protect from real or perceived looming economic correction in Spain
* People who formerly opposed secession, but were pissed to live in a country with high-profile political prisoners.
It was hard to form a solid takeaway from all this; I'd need many more months to start to really understand the political dynamics at play.
One thing about which I feel strong and certain, though, is this:
The fact that something is a crime according to the entity claiming jurisdiction over a given landmass makes it neither right nor inevitable that people engaging in that thing.
The right to dissolve bonds that arbitrarily obligate people to the whims of a state to which they don't consent is a real and enduring right.
Whether or not the movement is righteous, it's not OK to jail people for peacefully (even if disruptively) trying to separate.
- gerardnll 7y agoOf course jailing people is not a solution. But workers rights were not gained by 'asking', we expected this sentence. It's not 10 people you can jail, is more than 2-3 million people that now don't care (or even less) about 'their country'.
- yiyus 7y agoPeacefully breaking the law is still breaking the law. Disobeying direct orders from court can get you in jail, mishandling public funds can get you in jail, and making official declarations that go against the constitution can get you in jail. You have all the right to think this is not OK, but it is how it is.
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- FDSGSG 7y agoThere's also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Constitutional_Court_of_Spain_rulings_against_Catalan_Parliament_Laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Constitutional_Court_o... For example the huge Catalan cannabis industry has been stuck in a legal limbo largely thanks to Madrid failing to legislate and Spanish courts blocking Catalans from doing so.