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It's quite hard to support freedom fighters around the globe while all along suppressing peaceful freedom fighters at home. Setting this verdict against what's
by _rrnv 7y ago
It's quite hard to support freedom fighters around the globe while all along suppressing peaceful freedom fighters at home. Setting this verdict against what's happening in HK doesn't put Spain in a good light.
- carlosrg 7y agoAre you really comparing a movement to secede from a militaristic communist dictatorship with no freedom of speech with a movement to secede from a EU member state with a full democracy? Which freedoms are these "freedom fighters" missing?
- ryanlol 7y ago>Which freedoms are these "freedom fighters" missing? Freedom of association?
- carlosrg 7y agoWhat?
- ryanlol 7y agoFREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION!
- yiyus 7y agoNo, not that one.
- harperlee 7y agoThat is patently false. Catalan proindependence people have freedom of association, they even created several political parties that are in power.
- iagovar 7y agoYou just wanted to comment on this or do you really have any example? Because they have many parties and civil associations, they demonstrate yearly in the central streets of Barcelona, so you tell me.
- maweki 7y agoI am sure citizens of Hong Kong, like citizens of Catalonia, do enjoy all the freedoms they are given.
- Gupie 7y agoThe freedom of self determination, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination: "The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law (commonly regarded as a jus cogens rule), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms.[1][2] It states that people, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference."
- ohduran 7y agoRights are inherently individual. You have rights, I have rights, etc. "People" don't have rights, no "Lebensraum", nothing. You, and only you, are in a relationship with the state, not subsumed in an aggregation of any kind.
- Gupie 7y ago"The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law" I am not an international lawyer myself but seeming "the right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law". If this is incorrect a people do have rights. In fact this is a cardinal principle in modern international law.
- ohduran 7y agomy understanding is that international laws are set so that humans do have rights due to their conditions of being human, based on the assumption that there are things that you cannot do, regardless of the culture you live in. It aims at invalidating the idea that I can only articulate as "that is how things work in this country". For instance, you cannot annihilate groups of people based on religion, that is a crime, internationally, even if your country allows it. That said, and again, these are individual rights. You can't condemn Rwanda for the crimes committed by their leaders: these leaders are put on trial. It occurs to me that the US has sanctioned Iran and other countries (not an expert) in the past/present (again, not an expert). But that isn't international law: those are unilateral decisions made by the US government. I can see both things occurring, but not intertwined. Could you please expand on what you understand by "people do have rights"?
- pvaldes 7y ago...and the "peaceful freedom fighters" showed their real face finally, for everybody to see it.