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What a fascist state. Jailing for 9 years civilian leaders that organized peaceful protests. Shameful. A movement of more than 2 or 3 million of citizens, that'

What a fascist state. Jailing for 9 years civilian leaders that organized peaceful protests. Shameful. A movement of more than 2 or 3 million of citizens, that's the way they handle political issues.

oliverx0 7y ago
Peaceful protests? You have to be joking. Just look at all the articles of the violence that took place against the national police trying to maintain order.
- logicchains 7y ago
  Just like all the violence taking place against the poor police in Hong Kong, as clearly documented in the Chinese national media.
- gerardnll 7y ago
  I was on the streets the first of october while voting took place. Police brutality and passive protests is what I saw. show me your articles. Come on, even the charges are for 'sedition' not 'rebelion', crime that right-wing parties wanted. Don't tell me you watch Telemadrid, read la razón/abc...
- maddy237 7y ago
  You are either misinformed or lying. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861001/Catalan-referendum-Spanish-police-violence-voters https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861001/Catalan-referend... https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/12/spain-police-used-excessive-force-catalonia https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/12/spain-police-used-excess... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-vote-claims-spanish-police-brutality-probed-171003122547459.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-vote-claims-s... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-41463955/catalonia-referendum-violence-as-police-block-voting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-41463955/cataloni... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4586709/catalonia-won-right-independence-police-crackdown-protesters/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4586709/catalonia-won-right-in...
- ryanlol 7y ago
  I was visiting BCN during the voting, all I saw was cops attacking people who dared to stand in their way. You are lying.
logicchains 7y ago
Spain was literally a fascist dictatorship until 1975. Maybe some things take a while to grow out of.
- mezod 7y ago
  especially when Franco, unlike Hitler/Mussolini, never lost a war. He died of old age and appointed who was to succeed him, the King of Spain.
- harperlee 7y ago
  That is a ridiculous argument. The trial is subject to European courts and even if they dont appeal (which they will most probably do), this ensures that they are not abandoned to the purportedly fascist judges. So at the end they will be overseen by the EU. By the way, Spain is one of the EU countries with the least unfavorable rulings by both the EU Justice Court and the European Court of Human Rights so I think that speak volumes of the fascist remains of our justices. By the way the whole trial is available for anyone to watch in youtube, and judge Marchena’s job conducting the trial is widely understood to have been impeccable.
yiyus 7y ago
One of the differences with a fascist state is that Spain is subjected to international law. They have the right to appeal to the European Court for Human Rights, and if they are being jailed for organizing peaceful protests they will win. But that is not what they are being jailed for and you know it.
JustFinishedBSG 7y ago
Not paying taxes, driving on the wrong side of the road, or selling crack cocaine to children are all peaceful too you know.
harperlee 7y ago
You forgot: organized with embezzled money, against the law, disobeying courts that explicitly ruled against it. 2 or 3 million citizens were completely free to do what they wanted that Sunday. No one was detained, fined, or even identified, if they did not do something in the tune of burning a police car. Where is the fascism?
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  >Where is the fascism? It's the part where they jail people for "sedition" instead of misuse of funds. One of these is absolutely defensible while the other simply isn't.
  - harperlee 7y ago
    So fascism is to have ‘sedition’ tipified as a crime? To enforce a law? Something that was badly done during the trial? Or another thing? Edit: I think you meant to ask this in another thread, so I link it for other reader’s sake: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21247767 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21247767
- andratwiro 7y ago
  Plenty of people were detained and identified during the referendum, and there was a lot of police violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUJNbLa4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUJNbLa4ko

What a fascist state. Jailing for 9 years civilian leaders that organized peaceful protests. Shameful. A movement of more than 2 or 3 million of citizens, that's the way they handle political issues.

oliverx0 7y ago

Peaceful protests? You have to be joking. Just look at all the articles of the violence that took place against the national police trying to maintain order.

logicchains 7y ago
Just like all the violence taking place against the poor police in Hong Kong, as clearly documented in the Chinese national media.
gerardnll 7y ago
I was on the streets the first of october while voting took place. Police brutality and passive protests is what I saw. show me your articles. Come on, even the charges are for 'sedition' not 'rebelion', crime that right-wing parties wanted. Don't tell me you watch Telemadrid, read la razón/abc...
maddy237 7y ago
You are either misinformed or lying. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861001/Catalan-referendum-Spanish-police-violence-voters https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861001/Catalan-referend... https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/12/spain-police-used-excessive-force-catalonia https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/12/spain-police-used-excess... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-vote-claims-spanish-police-brutality-probed-171003122547459.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/catalan-vote-claims-s... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-41463955/catalonia-referendum-violence-as-police-block-voting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-41463955/cataloni... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4586709/catalonia-won-right-independence-police-crackdown-protesters/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4586709/catalonia-won-right-in...
ryanlol 7y ago
I was visiting BCN during the voting, all I saw was cops attacking people who dared to stand in their way. You are lying.

logicchains 7y ago

Spain was literally a fascist dictatorship until 1975. Maybe some things take a while to grow out of.

mezod 7y ago
especially when Franco, unlike Hitler/Mussolini, never lost a war. He died of old age and appointed who was to succeed him, the King of Spain.
harperlee 7y ago
That is a ridiculous argument. The trial is subject to European courts and even if they dont appeal (which they will most probably do), this ensures that they are not abandoned to the purportedly fascist judges. So at the end they will be overseen by the EU. By the way, Spain is one of the EU countries with the least unfavorable rulings by both the EU Justice Court and the European Court of Human Rights so I think that speak volumes of the fascist remains of our justices. By the way the whole trial is available for anyone to watch in youtube, and judge Marchena’s job conducting the trial is widely understood to have been impeccable.

yiyus 7y ago

One of the differences with a fascist state is that Spain is subjected to international law. They have the right to appeal to the European Court for Human Rights, and if they are being jailed for organizing peaceful protests they will win. But that is not what they are being jailed for and you know it.

JustFinishedBSG 7y ago

Not paying taxes, driving on the wrong side of the road, or selling crack cocaine to children are all peaceful too you know.

harperlee 7y ago

You forgot: organized with embezzled money, against the law, disobeying courts that explicitly ruled against it. 2 or 3 million citizens were completely free to do what they wanted that Sunday. No one was detained, fined, or even identified, if they did not do something in the tune of burning a police car. Where is the fascism?

FDSGSG 7y ago
>Where is the fascism? It's the part where they jail people for "sedition" instead of misuse of funds. One of these is absolutely defensible while the other simply isn't.
- harperlee 7y ago
  So fascism is to have ‘sedition’ tipified as a crime? To enforce a law? Something that was badly done during the trial? Or another thing? Edit: I think you meant to ask this in another thread, so I link it for other reader’s sake: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21247767 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21247767
andratwiro 7y ago
Plenty of people were detained and identified during the referendum, and there was a lot of police violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUJNbLa4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBUJNbLa4ko