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Catalan separatist leaders given lengthy prison sentences

16 points by znq 7y ago

ahbyb 7y ago
Taking into account max sentence for sedition is 15 years and they got 12 years for sedition + misuse of public money and they'll probably only spend half of that time in prison... seems like 'lengthy' is not the correct word.
- arcturus17 7y ago
  The Supreme Court has not closed the door the possibility yet of them being immediately granted the so-called penitentiary third degree, which would allow them to live in semi-freedom (spend only nights in prison from Monday to Thursday) since the get-go. And like you're saying, in all likelihood it won't even be close to 13 years of that.
- beerandt 7y ago
  I'd say it's pretty lengthy for putting a choice on a ballot in a democracy.
  - rumanator 7y ago
    What they did has nothing to do with democracy or "putting a choice". They tried to abuse their position to force their personal point of view on a whole country.
    - beerandt 7y ago
      Holding a vote had nothing to do with democracy? >They tried to abuse their position to force their personal point of view on a whole country They're politicians. That's sort of their job. If you don't like what they do, vote them out.
      - rumanator 7y ago
        > Holding a vote had nothing to do with democracy? A vote where radical activists invested in a specific outcome store ballot boxes in their own homes? You got to be joking. > They're politicians. That's sort of their job. That's patently wrong, as they are now doing prison sentences for abusing their position and by violating the laws they were supposed to comply with.
        beerandt 7y ago
        You can't complain in one sentence about misuse of government resources, then in the next complain that they kept ballots at home. I'm sure they would have loved to keep the ballots in the proper government places, but soldiers with guns tend to be persuasive. If you don't provide a legal method for political dissent, don't be surprised when people choose an illegal one. >now doing prison This proves nothing but a government wanting to quash dissent.

16 points by znq 7y ago

Taking into account max sentence for sedition is 15 years and they got 12 years for sedition + misuse of public money and they'll probably only spend half of that time in prison... seems like 'lengthy' is not the correct word.

arcturus17 7y ago
The Supreme Court has not closed the door the possibility yet of them being immediately granted the so-called penitentiary third degree, which would allow them to live in semi-freedom (spend only nights in prison from Monday to Thursday) since the get-go. And like you're saying, in all likelihood it won't even be close to 13 years of that.
beerandt 7y ago
I'd say it's pretty lengthy for putting a choice on a ballot in a democracy.
- rumanator 7y ago
  What they did has nothing to do with democracy or "putting a choice". They tried to abuse their position to force their personal point of view on a whole country.
  - beerandt 7y ago
    Holding a vote had nothing to do with democracy? >They tried to abuse their position to force their personal point of view on a whole country They're politicians. That's sort of their job. If you don't like what they do, vote them out.
    - rumanator 7y ago
      > Holding a vote had nothing to do with democracy? A vote where radical activists invested in a specific outcome store ballot boxes in their own homes? You got to be joking. > They're politicians. That's sort of their job. That's patently wrong, as they are now doing prison sentences for abusing their position and by violating the laws they were supposed to comply with.
      - beerandt 7y ago
        You can't complain in one sentence about misuse of government resources, then in the next complain that they kept ballots at home. I'm sure they would have loved to keep the ballots in the proper government places, but soldiers with guns tend to be persuasive. If you don't provide a legal method for political dissent, don't be surprised when people choose an illegal one. >now doing prison This proves nothing but a government wanting to quash dissent.