I think this is a very good example of what I was talking about. Bring up the idea of taxing carbon - making manufacturing actually pay for the disposal cost

I think this is a very good example of what I was talking about. Bring up the idea of taxing carbon - making manufacturing actually pay for the disposal cost of the CO2 they generate and suddenly people pop up talking about: "There are values that just don't scale well without trade offs against things like human dignity". There's talk of "the use of climate as just a pretext for redistribution signals" and away we go. This stuff has nothing to do with "is it a good idea to apply market pricing when it comes to dumping waste into the atmosphere? "it requires a level of trust that has been damaged by freighting climate with these other agendas" You know who has been doing the freighting? The industries who will do absolutely anything to avoid a rational debate about how we apply a cost to their polluting ways. > How do we reconcile interests and coexist with people whose most basic beliefs we experience as alien? Who are these people who basically don't believe the scientific evidence that we are destroying the ecology we rely on? > which is not something conservatives tend to trust. Fine - I await with interest conservatives actual proposals for reducing CO2 emissions. But I can't afford to wait too long.