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If region is set to China, not just language. Locale has two components, like in en_US.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
That doesn't mean that the user is in China. It means that the user wants their interface in Chinese as it is written in mainland China. In other words, the CN means simplified Chinese instead of traditional Chinese, which is what the TW region code corresponds to.
- derefr 7y ago
  The GP poster is incorrect; the Region setting has nothing to do with setting the region code of the Language setting (each language+region pair being its own listing in Languages.) The Region you choose during initial device setup does determine your default Language region, but you can pick a different one while keeping the same Region. The Region setting in iOS is literally just the question "what Country [or Country-equivalent political region] would you like to be considered to be in, when we make certain OS features be dependent on your country?" This is separate from what country the phone treats you like you're actually in, geographically, which is determined moment-to-moment by geolocation and cellular profiles. (Time zone? Geolocation. Maps domestic/foreign feature display granularity? Geolocation.) Whereas, Region is for things like, say, whether you see certain apps or features that are in partial progressive rollout; or whether you see features offered that don't make sense outside of certain regions. Re: the first example, the News app, which rolled out in the US first, could be made to appear in other countries by setting your Region to the US. When this was done, the News app, if launched, would still detect what country you were actually in (geolocation-wise), and would make a best-effort attempt at showing news from the few sources Apple had made agreements with so far from that country. Re: the second example, iOS has social-network "Accounts" integration with Sina Weibo, QQ, etc. just like it has integration with Facebook/Twitter/etc. It just doesn't display these sign-in options unless your phone is set to the China "Region." Because, if you're not in China or from China, why would you ever use these networks? (Note that Apple designs iOS under the assumption that people won't bother to change their Region when they travel; so it really is more of a "where are you from" rather than "where are you now" question.)
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. It means you want the device to show English as it is used in Great Britain, with extraneous "u"s and rearranged month and day. A user in the US can request that locale instead of en_US if that is the language they prefer. Locale is for localization of the interface, not for telling where you are from. See the Australian English example in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale_%28computer_software%29 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale_%28computer_software%... Now maybe iOS sets the locale based on where the user is from instead of based on how the user would like their interface localized. If it does, it is doing it wrong. Sending a user's data to Tencent based on a setting instead of based on their location is absolutely wrong.
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    - saagarjha 7y ago
      What should they do?
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        They should send to Tencent based on network location. If you're inside the Great Firewall, Google's safe browsing service will be unreachable. If you're outside the Great Firewall, you really don't want to use services through it if possible. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/ddos-attacks-that-crippled-github-linked-to-great-firewall-of-china https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/ddos-...
    - derefr 7y ago
      > This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. You misinterpreted. "Region" is a setting in iOS. But iOS "Region" has nothing to do with the "region" part of a locale. Setting your iOS "Region" to "Great Britain" and setting your "Locale" to "English (Great Britain)" are separate things. "Region" is just what iOS happens to call a completely distinct thing. If you like, to lessen your confusion, pretend it is called something different. > Sending a user's data to Tencent based on a setting instead of based on their location is absolutely wrong. You wouldn't want your phone to start sending data to Tencent as soon as you cross the border into China, right? And, vice-versa, you would expect a person from China, who thinks Tencent is a great brand, to not want to stop sending their data to Tencent just because they cross the border out of China, right?
- qafy 7y ago
  I think their point is that changing your device language is not the same thing as changing your region. Changing your language is a simple setting, but changing your region involves re-accepting the ToS for that region. So technically they would have to click Agree on the document linked in the tweet in the OP.

That doesn't mean that the user is in China. It means that the user wants their interface in Chinese as it is written in mainland China. In other words, the CN means simplified Chinese instead of traditional Chinese, which is what the TW region code corresponds to.

derefr 7y ago
The GP poster is incorrect; the Region setting has nothing to do with setting the region code of the Language setting (each language+region pair being its own listing in Languages.) The Region you choose during initial device setup does determine your default Language region, but you can pick a different one while keeping the same Region. The Region setting in iOS is literally just the question "what Country [or Country-equivalent political region] would you like to be considered to be in, when we make certain OS features be dependent on your country?" This is separate from what country the phone treats you like you're actually in, geographically, which is determined moment-to-moment by geolocation and cellular profiles. (Time zone? Geolocation. Maps domestic/foreign feature display granularity? Geolocation.) Whereas, Region is for things like, say, whether you see certain apps or features that are in partial progressive rollout; or whether you see features offered that don't make sense outside of certain regions. Re: the first example, the News app, which rolled out in the US first, could be made to appear in other countries by setting your Region to the US. When this was done, the News app, if launched, would still detect what country you were actually in (geolocation-wise), and would make a best-effort attempt at showing news from the few sources Apple had made agreements with so far from that country. Re: the second example, iOS has social-network "Accounts" integration with Sina Weibo, QQ, etc. just like it has integration with Facebook/Twitter/etc. It just doesn't display these sign-in options unless your phone is set to the China "Region." Because, if you're not in China or from China, why would you ever use these networks? (Note that Apple designs iOS under the assumption that people won't bother to change their Region when they travel; so it really is more of a "where are you from" rather than "where are you now" question.)
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. It means you want the device to show English as it is used in Great Britain, with extraneous "u"s and rearranged month and day. A user in the US can request that locale instead of en_US if that is the language they prefer. Locale is for localization of the interface, not for telling where you are from. See the Australian English example in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale_%28computer_software%29 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale_%28computer_software%... Now maybe iOS sets the locale based on where the user is from instead of based on how the user would like their interface localized. If it does, it is doing it wrong. Sending a user's data to Tencent based on a setting instead of based on their location is absolutely wrong.
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  - saagarjha 7y ago
    What should they do?
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      They should send to Tencent based on network location. If you're inside the Great Firewall, Google's safe browsing service will be unreachable. If you're outside the Great Firewall, you really don't want to use services through it if possible. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/ddos-attacks-that-crippled-github-linked-to-great-firewall-of-china https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/04/ddos-...
  - derefr 7y ago
    > This is incorrect. en_GB doesn't mean you're in or from Great Britain. You misinterpreted. "Region" is a setting in iOS. But iOS "Region" has nothing to do with the "region" part of a locale. Setting your iOS "Region" to "Great Britain" and setting your "Locale" to "English (Great Britain)" are separate things. "Region" is just what iOS happens to call a completely distinct thing. If you like, to lessen your confusion, pretend it is called something different. > Sending a user's data to Tencent based on a setting instead of based on their location is absolutely wrong. You wouldn't want your phone to start sending data to Tencent as soon as you cross the border into China, right? And, vice-versa, you would expect a person from China, who thinks Tencent is a great brand, to not want to stop sending their data to Tencent just because they cross the border out of China, right?
qafy 7y ago
I think their point is that changing your device language is not the same thing as changing your region. Changing your language is a simple setting, but changing your region involves re-accepting the ToS for that region. So technically they would have to click Agree on the document linked in the tweet in the OP.