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Alternative title. People who want to make money kowtow to the opinions of people with money to give them.

mac01021 7y ago
Sort of, but in this case circumstances are somewhat complicated by the PRC's authoritarian government which is prepared to deny market access for political reasons. So it's not the opinions if the people with money to give that are at issue here but the opinions of the gatekeeper, which actually is a remarkable phenomenon.
- PeterStuer 7y ago
  "prepared to deny market access for political reasons" sounds like some other Western superpower I regularly read about in the news.
- 627467 7y ago
  Was China less authoritarian in the 80s and 90s when mass manufacturing migration between West and East started? The West gave China the capital they are now using. Soft and hard capital and power. It seems cheaper to fight media-propaganda proxy wars than actually do anything about it - as in, promote reversals on this manufacturing divestment.
  - CharlesColeman 7y ago
    > Was China less authoritarian in the 80s and 90s when mass manufacturing migration between West and East started? No, but back then many people assumed trade would liberalize China. Turns out they were wrong, at least for the foreseeable future.
goatinaboat 7y ago
People who want to make money kowtow to the opinions of people with money to give them It is always the same story with China, that billion-consumer market is dangled like a carrot, if only you hand over all your IP to a local partner was the first demand, and now, if you act as a mouthpiece for the CCP in your home country is the second, I don't know if there will be a third, but the end result is the same, you will never get direct access to those billion consumers. Never. There is one positive outcome however which is that American companies are very quick to latch onto the flag when it suits their marketing purposes, this will shake that out of the market for sure.

Sort of, but in this case circumstances are somewhat complicated by the PRC's authoritarian government which is prepared to deny market access for political reasons. So it's not the opinions if the people with money to give that are at issue here but the opinions of the gatekeeper, which actually is a remarkable phenomenon.

PeterStuer 7y ago
"prepared to deny market access for political reasons" sounds like some other Western superpower I regularly read about in the news.
627467 7y ago
Was China less authoritarian in the 80s and 90s when mass manufacturing migration between West and East started? The West gave China the capital they are now using. Soft and hard capital and power. It seems cheaper to fight media-propaganda proxy wars than actually do anything about it - as in, promote reversals on this manufacturing divestment.
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  > Was China less authoritarian in the 80s and 90s when mass manufacturing migration between West and East started? No, but back then many people assumed trade would liberalize China. Turns out they were wrong, at least for the foreseeable future.

goatinaboat 7y ago

People who want to make money kowtow to the opinions of people with money to give them It is always the same story with China, that billion-consumer market is dangled like a carrot, if only you hand over all your IP to a local partner was the first demand, and now, if you act as a mouthpiece for the CCP in your home country is the second, I don't know if there will be a third, but the end result is the same, you will never get direct access to those billion consumers. Never. There is one positive outcome however which is that American companies are very quick to latch onto the flag when it suits their marketing purposes, this will shake that out of the market for sure.