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It is so, so frustrating to read these kinds of things. You can bemoan the state of the MBP all you want (and yes, much of it is valid), but here's the thing:
by Klonoar 7y ago
It is so, so frustrating to read these kinds of things.
You can bemoan the state of the MBP all you want (and yes, much of it is valid), but here's the thing: realistically, Apple doesn't have to care because no other company produces a laptop that's as well made and long-lasting.
I've been trying to find a laptop that doesn't fit the following - it's mind-boggling how bad this industry is once you try to leave Apple's walls:
- It cannot look like something a 14 year old gamer would flock to, complete with lights and design trends straight out of a Bayformers film. This invalidates any "gamer laptop" short of some Razer models, and the Razer models have notable fan issues (among other things).
- After using a MBP for years, I refuse to go back to something that's made with cheap materials. If it bends the frame when I type the middle of the keyboard, it's out (so we can throw out most System76/Clevo stuff right here...)
- People like to look good. Apple products legitimately look good. I don't want to give that up. It cannot look bulky, clunky, and generally not fashionable - short of... what, one HP Notebook that I could find, the rest are just abysmal. You see non-Apple people wonder about the obsession with thin laptops and so on - this is it. People legitimately do buy with fashion in mind.
- No other laptop is as well integrated on both the software and hardware side as Macbooks are. You can tinker and get it close, sure, but the reason that Apple can sell less powerful hardware is because the system is so optimized for it.
Apple's killed it in the past decade or so on all of these. Keyboard issues start coming up? Why would they care? Where exactly are you going to go...? They'll fix it when they get to it and you'll like it.
You won't find another laptop and ecosystem as well integrated as the one Apple's made over the past decade. It doesn't exist.
For crying out loud, if System76 could just sell a cloned MBP shell that'd be amazing.
End rant, I guess. This has been a personal pet peeve of mine for weeks, the laptop industry is so abysmal all around.
Edit: Yes, before anyone points it out, Thinkpads are well made and long lasting. They do not visually look good in my opinion.
- jevgeni 7y agoTo me personally, Microsoft Surface Book is a very valid alternative.
- mongol 7y agoWhat do you think about Microsoft Surface laptops?
- Klonoar 7y agoIt's a step in the right direction, but hardware wise the lack of memory beyond 16GB annoys me. Even Apple, who notoriously kept it low for years, now offers 32GB for Pro models. So the Surface probably works for some people, but not for me. The Surface 2 design seems like they're trying hard with the attention to details, so props to that.
- c256 7y agoFrom what I can tell, they’re a fine alternative to the current MacBook or MacBook Air, but they fail the ‘pro’ criteria just like the last few years of mbp, including small memory, glued/soldered/unserviceable parts, and an over-emphasis on thinness that hurts performance/cooling and battery life. Earlier this year, I gave up on my 2011 mbp, because I didn’t want to upgrade until ~2014, and by then it was basically too late. Early this year, I picked up a chromebook with an i5 U-series chip and 8gb of ram while waiting to see if Apple could fix the (primarily keyboard) issues before I put Linux on an XPS13 or X1 Carbon. Today, it’s hard to see why I’d pay $1500+ for any of those options.
- thiht 7y ago> no other company produces a laptop that's as well made and long-lasting Of the top of my head: Dell XPS 13, Huawei Matebook X Pro, Thinkpad Carbon, Surface Books. Saying MBP are unique is ignorant.
- Klonoar 7y agoYeah... no. It's not ignorant, given that the MBP is pretty widely regarded for what it is. Few of those stick up (and I noted in my edit, before you commented, that yes - the Thinkpad et al are well built, but they are _not_ good looking).
- omnimus 7y agoPurism makes nice Librem macbook air alternative. I know they are hated now for Librem mobile phone but ive recently seen the notebok in person and it was pretty and solid.