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I still love my MacBook Pro. It doesn’t feel dead to me at all. I’m okay knowing that iPhone and iPad are making lots of money for the company. Yes, as a VIM u

I still love my MacBook Pro. It doesn’t feel dead to me at all. I’m okay knowing that iPhone and iPad are making lots of money for the company. Yes, as a VIM user it took a minute to adjust to the missing ESC key. However converting the Caplock key to esc turned out to be a great ergonomic benefit for me. Yes I know there have been issues with the keyboard but they are resolving that. Yes the Touch Bar is a little gimmicky but it’s not bad, kind of neat and doesn’t cause a problem. I’ve never been happier as an Apple customer as I am now. The products seem to continually improve and raise the bar for what I expect from a computer. I always feel bad for my co-workers who have to use Linux on ThinkPads or Windows. Disclaimer: I used to work for Apple years ago and it was a great experience.

ojbyrne 7y ago
I also love my MBP. In addition I sometimes have to use a 2015-ish MBP and it feels really clunky (thick, heavy) to me.
LIV2 7y ago
> Yes I know there have been issues with the keyboard but they are resolving that. They've said that a couple of times. I'll believe it when I see it. > I always feel bad for my co-workers who have to use Linux on ThinkPads Why? I mean I've worked as a sysadmin using macs since they switched to Intel but at this point I'd switch to an X1 Carbon running Fedora if my 2013 Retina died. (And yes I had one of the newer ones at my last job)
- VvR-Ox 7y ago
  I don't believe it as it just gets worse and worse. I always pity the people who think they are "more productive" with a MBP while our Linux-on-TP users seem to be quite fine with their tools for at least half the price. On top MBP users seem to need much more money for stupid little apps which happen to be free on linux to be even "more productive". The newest keyboard is a piece of sht - it feels like no physical feedback at all. When they need an upgrade they need a fin new MBP! Most of the parts can't be replaced anymore - this is really insane O.o
  - mrighele 7y ago
    > The newest keyboard is a piece of sht - it feels like no physical feedback at all. Maybe it was the plan all along, to get people used to a virtual keyboard once they get rid of the physical one (yes, I'm joking).
askmike 7y ago
While I'm happy to hear you are a happy MBP user (so am I to be honest), the articles isn't arguing current MBPs are bad, just that they are not the performance power beasts they used to be. He talks about Tim's shift from performance to thinner and lighter (not whether that's good or bad, just that according to him it kind of takes the "pro" out).
moksly 7y ago
> I always feel bad for my co-workers who have to use Linux on ThinkPads or Windows. I recently moved from a MacBook Pro 13” i5 to a surface pro 6 i5, and development on Windows with WSL has been such a great experience that I doubt I’ll ever want to develop on a Mac again. To each their own I guess.
wayneftw 7y ago
> converting the Caplock key to esc... I can't stand having to change 30 years of muscle memory to make one specific brand of desktop computer work the way that I need it to. And then what happens if I have to help a junior dev at their desk? That's why I absolutely adore both Linux and Windows - they generally let you work the way that you want on the hardware that you want instead of the one-size-fits-all way that Apple wants. It certainly does make Apple a ton of profit though because fewer moving parts and fewer software options most certainly equates to higher profits. > The products seem to continually improve and raise the bar for what I expect from a computer. I always feel bad for my co-workers... I wouldn't worry too much about it because the vast, vast majority of developers are on Windows and I can assure you that they'd be absolutely sickened if you made them use something that didn't behave just like Windows; something that is lacking even the most rudimentary window management features such as macOS. Try this experiment if you think macOS has good window management: Open "About this Mac" then use Alt+Tab to switch to another app - now try to use your keyboard to switch back to the window you just switched away from. For people who like using a keyboard to do things, macOS is not good - unless you also enjoy hacking the system against Apple's will and risking losing your preferences on any given update. For developers who find even Windows limiting though, I recommend switching to something that can run XFCE because those guys have done an absolute bang up job of emulating all the best parts of the Windows UI system while adding even more advanced features.
JohnTHaller 7y ago
> Yes I know there have been issues with the keyboard but they are resolving that. Repairing existing keyboards with the same faulty keyboard that already failed while scrapping the bad design and going back to scissor switches for all devices next year doesn't really seem like they are "resolving" anything for existing users.

ojbyrne 7y ago

I also love my MBP. In addition I sometimes have to use a 2015-ish MBP and it feels really clunky (thick, heavy) to me.

LIV2 7y ago

> Yes I know there have been issues with the keyboard but they are resolving that. They've said that a couple of times. I'll believe it when I see it. > I always feel bad for my co-workers who have to use Linux on ThinkPads Why? I mean I've worked as a sysadmin using macs since they switched to Intel but at this point I'd switch to an X1 Carbon running Fedora if my 2013 Retina died. (And yes I had one of the newer ones at my last job)

VvR-Ox 7y ago
I don't believe it as it just gets worse and worse. I always pity the people who think they are "more productive" with a MBP while our Linux-on-TP users seem to be quite fine with their tools for at least half the price. On top MBP users seem to need much more money for stupid little apps which happen to be free on linux to be even "more productive". The newest keyboard is a piece of sht - it feels like no physical feedback at all. When they need an upgrade they need a fin new MBP! Most of the parts can't be replaced anymore - this is really insane O.o
- mrighele 7y ago
  > The newest keyboard is a piece of sht - it feels like no physical feedback at all. Maybe it was the plan all along, to get people used to a virtual keyboard once they get rid of the physical one (yes, I'm joking).

askmike 7y ago

While I'm happy to hear you are a happy MBP user (so am I to be honest), the articles isn't arguing current MBPs are bad, just that they are not the performance power beasts they used to be. He talks about Tim's shift from performance to thinner and lighter (not whether that's good or bad, just that according to him it kind of takes the "pro" out).

moksly 7y ago

> I always feel bad for my co-workers who have to use Linux on ThinkPads or Windows. I recently moved from a MacBook Pro 13” i5 to a surface pro 6 i5, and development on Windows with WSL has been such a great experience that I doubt I’ll ever want to develop on a Mac again. To each their own I guess.

wayneftw 7y ago

> converting the Caplock key to esc... I can't stand having to change 30 years of muscle memory to make one specific brand of desktop computer work the way that I need it to. And then what happens if I have to help a junior dev at their desk? That's why I absolutely adore both Linux and Windows - they generally let you work the way that you want on the hardware that you want instead of the one-size-fits-all way that Apple wants. It certainly does make Apple a ton of profit though because fewer moving parts and fewer software options most certainly equates to higher profits. > The products seem to continually improve and raise the bar for what I expect from a computer. I always feel bad for my co-workers... I wouldn't worry too much about it because the vast, vast majority of developers are on Windows and I can assure you that they'd be absolutely sickened if you made them use something that didn't behave just like Windows; something that is lacking even the most rudimentary window management features such as macOS. Try this experiment if you think macOS has good window management: Open "About this Mac" then use Alt+Tab to switch to another app - now try to use your keyboard to switch back to the window you just switched away from. For people who like using a keyboard to do things, macOS is not good - unless you also enjoy hacking the system against Apple's will and risking losing your preferences on any given update. For developers who find even Windows limiting though, I recommend switching to something that can run XFCE because those guys have done an absolute bang up job of emulating all the best parts of the Windows UI system while adding even more advanced features.

JohnTHaller 7y ago

> Yes I know there have been issues with the keyboard but they are resolving that. Repairing existing keyboards with the same faulty keyboard that already failed while scrapping the bad design and going back to scissor switches for all devices next year doesn't really seem like they are "resolving" anything for existing users.