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Secret Court: FBI “Backdoor Searches” of Americans Violated the 4th Amendment

36 points by rahuldottech 7y ago

Simulacra 7y ago
Does it seem like the FBI largely goes unregulated? Since the nineties it seems to have recessed into the dark, and operated without much oversight.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  A quick thought on regulation: 1. It will generate huge bureaucracy that will most likely be a huge overhead both on money and time. 2. The bureaucracy still have no idea what’s going on.
  - tareqak 7y ago
    Is status quo desirable? What would be desirable, and what would be necessary to get there?
    - no_opinions 7y ago
      The rules change all the time and are subject to layers of oversight. See https://icontherecord.tumblr.com/ https://icontherecord.tumblr.com/ - FISA court (judicial) - House / Senate intel committee (legislative) - IC Inspector General (executive, they police the agency itself)
- vanniv 7y ago
  Three letter agencies doing whatever evil the feel like isn't really new. MKUltra turned out to be real, after all.
no_opinions 7y ago
The FISA court ruling proves the system works. This is good news. To those outside USA, FISA is like an intelligence related court. From an earlier gov brief: > Our government is tasked with protecting an interest of utmost significance to the nation - the safety and security of its people. By definition, a government targeting its own citizens, except very exigent circumstances, is not protecting its people. It's targeting them, what are they? Are they a saboteur? A patsy? I think the FISA court is finding the circumstances being put through under these orders aren't very pressing issues. A country's intelligence wants to stop spies, terrorists, and gain positive foreign intelligence, they don't want psychopaths who feign ignorance of memes getting their jollies off on destroying the lives of its own citizens. Also, judging by the comments I read, I think users want a GDPR-like law to protect their personal information when dealing a consumer setting. For stuff related to OP https://icontherecord.tumblr.com https://icontherecord.tumblr.com and its post relating to IC IG and FISA are US ways of oversight in that area.
badrabbit 7y ago
Here's the thing,someone violating a constitutional right of a citizen does notx carry a penalty. They basically get told "don't do thid anymore" ,worst case they get a court order to cease the practice and if they don't a contempt charge. Perhaps deliberate removal of a citizens rights should carry a criminal penalty? I mean,the highest law of the land does not carry a penalty against officials that willfully ignore it?
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wpdev_63 7y ago
FISA courts, fusion centers, stellarwind etc.

36 points by rahuldottech 7y ago

Does it seem like the FBI largely goes unregulated? Since the nineties it seems to have recessed into the dark, and operated without much oversight.

Aperocky 7y ago
A quick thought on regulation: 1. It will generate huge bureaucracy that will most likely be a huge overhead both on money and time. 2. The bureaucracy still have no idea what’s going on.
- tareqak 7y ago
  Is status quo desirable? What would be desirable, and what would be necessary to get there?
  - no_opinions 7y ago
    The rules change all the time and are subject to layers of oversight. See https://icontherecord.tumblr.com/ https://icontherecord.tumblr.com/ - FISA court (judicial) - House / Senate intel committee (legislative) - IC Inspector General (executive, they police the agency itself)
vanniv 7y ago
Three letter agencies doing whatever evil the feel like isn't really new. MKUltra turned out to be real, after all.

no_opinions 7y ago

The FISA court ruling proves the system works. This is good news. To those outside USA, FISA is like an intelligence related court. From an earlier gov brief: > Our government is tasked with protecting an interest of utmost significance to the nation - the safety and security of its people. By definition, a government targeting its own citizens, except very exigent circumstances, is not protecting its people. It's targeting them, what are they? Are they a saboteur? A patsy? I think the FISA court is finding the circumstances being put through under these orders aren't very pressing issues. A country's intelligence wants to stop spies, terrorists, and gain positive foreign intelligence, they don't want psychopaths who feign ignorance of memes getting their jollies off on destroying the lives of its own citizens. Also, judging by the comments I read, I think users want a GDPR-like law to protect their personal information when dealing a consumer setting. For stuff related to OP https://icontherecord.tumblr.com https://icontherecord.tumblr.com and its post relating to IC IG and FISA are US ways of oversight in that area.

badrabbit 7y ago

Here's the thing,someone violating a constitutional right of a citizen does notx carry a penalty. They basically get told "don't do thid anymore" ,worst case they get a court order to cease the practice and if they don't a contempt charge. Perhaps deliberate removal of a citizens rights should carry a criminal penalty? I mean,the highest law of the land does not carry a penalty against officials that willfully ignore it?

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wpdev_63 7y ago

FISA courts, fusion centers, stellarwind etc.