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Rockefeller, Carnegie, Barnum, Kraft, Walton, Koch?

by drcode 7y ago

mehrdadn 7y ago
I... can't believe my eyes. If you find what Koch or his foundations have achieved to be similar to what Gates or his foundations have achieved, I feel like you really need to re-calibrate what you call good and what you call bad.
- catalogia 7y ago
  They do a great deal more than giving money to republicans and republican things you know... however I am not saying you should like them because of that. I won't enumerate those things because I don't want to encourage anybody to like them, but if you doubt me you can look up the details yourself easily enough.
  - mehrdadn 7y ago
    Thanks for making a complete strawman of my argument. Nobody said 100% everything the Koch foundations have ever done has been terrible. But I sure as hell see a world of a difference between an entity that does entirely good things and one that does terrible things half the time. List me all the terrible things the Gates Foundation did that you think make it comparable to, idk, the Charles Koch Foundation. I'm reading the latter donated $25M to UNCF, which would be great except even in that case, "the UNCF's involvement with the Charles Koch Foundation was 'a betrayal of everything the UNCF stands for' because the Koch brothers were 'the single most prominent funders of efforts to prevent African-Americans from voting'." Yeah, because I definitely see the Gates Foundation being accused of undermining its own causes and driving away its supporters as a result.
    - catalogia 7y ago
      I have no interest in claiming any moral equivalency between the two. They are comparable, but not equivalent. I dislike all of these people, and no amount of charitable giving will change that.
      - mehrdadn 7y ago
        I assumed you would have an interest in not making a strawman of whatever you're arguing against. These are not comparable by any sane metric. One that doesn't outright ignore all the awful things when looking at the good parts.
        catalogia 7y ago
        Perhaps I should have explicitly pointed out that I feel as though you have strawmanned me. I thought I could make that point implicitly, but I guess not. I dislike terms like that and I dislike discussions that hinge around them.
    - ciupicri 7y ago
      What did the Koch brothers to prevent African-Americans from voting?

Rockefeller, Carnegie, Barnum, Kraft, Walton, Koch?

by drcode 7y ago

Rockefeller, Carnegie, Barnum, Kraft, Walton, Koch?

I... can't believe my eyes. If you find what Koch or his foundations have achieved to be similar to what Gates or his foundations have achieved, I feel like you really need to re-calibrate what you call good and what you call bad.

catalogia 7y ago
They do a great deal more than giving money to republicans and republican things you know... however I am not saying you should like them because of that. I won't enumerate those things because I don't want to encourage anybody to like them, but if you doubt me you can look up the details yourself easily enough.
- mehrdadn 7y ago
  Thanks for making a complete strawman of my argument. Nobody said 100% everything the Koch foundations have ever done has been terrible. But I sure as hell see a world of a difference between an entity that does entirely good things and one that does terrible things half the time. List me all the terrible things the Gates Foundation did that you think make it comparable to, idk, the Charles Koch Foundation. I'm reading the latter donated $25M to UNCF, which would be great except even in that case, "the UNCF's involvement with the Charles Koch Foundation was 'a betrayal of everything the UNCF stands for' because the Koch brothers were 'the single most prominent funders of efforts to prevent African-Americans from voting'." Yeah, because I definitely see the Gates Foundation being accused of undermining its own causes and driving away its supporters as a result.
  - catalogia 7y ago
    I have no interest in claiming any moral equivalency between the two. They are comparable, but not equivalent. I dislike all of these people, and no amount of charitable giving will change that.
    - mehrdadn 7y ago
      I assumed you would have an interest in not making a strawman of whatever you're arguing against. These are not comparable by any sane metric. One that doesn't outright ignore all the awful things when looking at the good parts.
      - catalogia 7y ago
        Perhaps I should have explicitly pointed out that I feel as though you have strawmanned me. I thought I could make that point implicitly, but I guess not. I dislike terms like that and I dislike discussions that hinge around them.
  - ciupicri 7y ago
    What did the Koch brothers to prevent African-Americans from voting?