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I thought the relationship between Epstein and Gates was meant to be mostly bullshit, with Epstein harassing Bill Gates on a handful of occasions then bragging

I thought the relationship between Epstein and Gates was meant to be mostly bullshit, with Epstein harassing Bill Gates on a handful of occasions then bragging to other people that he was friends with Bill. That's the story I heard a few weeks ago anyway.

temac 7y ago
That was the previous position of the Bill Gates camp. Given he changed the narrative, I would not be surprised about further developments.
alexis_fr 7y ago
I suspect this was the case with most of Epstein’s relationships. Like a sticky salesman. Every one of those situations must have been severely, severely embarrassing for people who were non-interested in whatever Epstein was selling.
hlarsen 7y ago
yeah... the old stories were a bit different a month or two ago: "... any account of a business partnership or personal relationship between the two is simply not true." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-bezos-musk-billionaires-dinner https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-ep... The Microsoft founder said he was “never at any parties or anything like that,” and that all the meetings they held together “were meetings with men.” “I met him,” Gates told the Journal. “I didn’t have any business relationship or friendship with him. I didn’t go to New Mexico or Florida or Palm Beach or any of that. There were people around him who were saying, hey, if you want to raise money for global health and get more philanthropy, he knows a lot of rich people.” https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/10/20858936/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-meetings-interview https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/10/20858936/bill-gates-jeffr...
efuquen 7y ago
If you read the article that does not at all seem to be the case.
- catalogia 7y ago
  Yes, the new narrative seems much worse. I wonder if it's the truth this time.
ZeroGravitas 7y ago
I heard the story was that Epstein was talking to Bill and Melinda about their daughter's appearnace in a 'scary' way that made them both feel uncomfortable. Or that might have been one of Epstein's other associates.
simplicio 7y ago
According to the article, Gates visited Epstein in Epstein's apartment several times. So that doesn't really square with Gate's being an unwilling participant. It's a weird story. It's hard to imagine Gates, whose foundation is the largest charitable organization in the world, really needed Epsteins advice on setting up charitable funds, which seems to be the official line. And Gates certainly wouldn't need help networking or coming up with $$.
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  Gates probably needed something else from Epstein, likely having to do with his ties to intelligence agencies.
nshepperd 7y ago
That story does not strike me as highly inconsistent with TFA. Just took a few times to go from polite tolerance of an annoying person to telling him to fuck off.

temac 7y ago

That was the previous position of the Bill Gates camp. Given he changed the narrative, I would not be surprised about further developments.

alexis_fr 7y ago

I suspect this was the case with most of Epstein’s relationships. Like a sticky salesman. Every one of those situations must have been severely, severely embarrassing for people who were non-interested in whatever Epstein was selling.

hlarsen 7y ago

yeah... the old stories were a bit different a month or two ago: "... any account of a business partnership or personal relationship between the two is simply not true." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-bezos-musk-billionaires-dinner https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-ep... The Microsoft founder said he was “never at any parties or anything like that,” and that all the meetings they held together “were meetings with men.” “I met him,” Gates told the Journal. “I didn’t have any business relationship or friendship with him. I didn’t go to New Mexico or Florida or Palm Beach or any of that. There were people around him who were saying, hey, if you want to raise money for global health and get more philanthropy, he knows a lot of rich people.” https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/10/20858936/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-meetings-interview https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/10/20858936/bill-gates-jeffr...

efuquen 7y ago

If you read the article that does not at all seem to be the case.

catalogia 7y ago
Yes, the new narrative seems much worse. I wonder if it's the truth this time.

ZeroGravitas 7y ago

I heard the story was that Epstein was talking to Bill and Melinda about their daughter's appearnace in a 'scary' way that made them both feel uncomfortable. Or that might have been one of Epstein's other associates.

simplicio 7y ago

According to the article, Gates visited Epstein in Epstein's apartment several times. So that doesn't really square with Gate's being an unwilling participant. It's a weird story. It's hard to imagine Gates, whose foundation is the largest charitable organization in the world, really needed Epsteins advice on setting up charitable funds, which seems to be the official line. And Gates certainly wouldn't need help networking or coming up with $$.

AndrewBissell 7y ago
Gates probably needed something else from Epstein, likely having to do with his ties to intelligence agencies.

nshepperd 7y ago

That story does not strike me as highly inconsistent with TFA. Just took a few times to go from polite tolerance of an annoying person to telling him to fuck off.