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Arguing and downvoting is just how people and internet work. This has nothing to do with Mozilla culture. Rest assured the engineers of Mozilla are doing their

by kvark 7y ago

Arguing and downvoting is just how people and internet work. This has nothing to do with Mozilla culture. Rest assured the engineers of Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference.

kettlecorn 7y ago
Certainly it is how the internet work, but I always hope for a little bit better! Generally I've written off arguing on the internet, but sometimes (like today) I slip up when it's too tempting to respond. > Rest assured the engineers of Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference. Even if it's obvious it is always nice to hear that an organization cares about doing the best job they can. I'm very appreciative of the work Mozilla is doing even if here I'm defending the critics of their work. I also recognize your name from the massive contributions you're making to the Rust ecosystem. Thanks!
foresto 7y ago
> Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference. Last time I remember trying to discuss an issue in Firefox was when they dropped ALSA support and started requiring PluseAudio for sound. When people complained, a manager silenced everyone by locking the bug report. This was not surprising, as other problem reports in recent years have been met with similarly obstinate responses. It's nice to think that at least some of their engineers are genuinely trying to improve things. (If you're one of them, thanks for trying!) It is nevertheless discouraging when problem reports are silenced by both the internet public and the company's own managers. Sadly, the current situation is that both major browsers have made themselves deficient in one way or another. I manage to get things done by switching between them, but really, I'm ready to drop them both if a good alternative shows up.
- roca 7y ago
  For issues like ALSA/Pulse, at some point all the arguments have been heard and there is no point in letting people continue to spam Bugzilla with the same arguments repeated. At that point it makes sense to lock the bug report.

by kvark 7y ago

kettlecorn 7y ago

Certainly it is how the internet work, but I always hope for a little bit better! Generally I've written off arguing on the internet, but sometimes (like today) I slip up when it's too tempting to respond. > Rest assured the engineers of Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference. Even if it's obvious it is always nice to hear that an organization cares about doing the best job they can. I'm very appreciative of the work Mozilla is doing even if here I'm defending the critics of their work. I also recognize your name from the massive contributions you're making to the Rust ecosystem. Thanks!

foresto 7y ago

> Mozilla are doing their best to make the product superior, independent of the principles difference. Last time I remember trying to discuss an issue in Firefox was when they dropped ALSA support and started requiring PluseAudio for sound. When people complained, a manager silenced everyone by locking the bug report. This was not surprising, as other problem reports in recent years have been met with similarly obstinate responses. It's nice to think that at least some of their engineers are genuinely trying to improve things. (If you're one of them, thanks for trying!) It is nevertheless discouraging when problem reports are silenced by both the internet public and the company's own managers. Sadly, the current situation is that both major browsers have made themselves deficient in one way or another. I manage to get things done by switching between them, but really, I'm ready to drop them both if a good alternative shows up.

roca 7y ago
For issues like ALSA/Pulse, at some point all the arguments have been heard and there is no point in letting people continue to spam Bugzilla with the same arguments repeated. At that point it makes sense to lock the bug report.