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Even simple stuff like finding text on a page... I use the highlighting of occurrences in the scrollbar WAY more than I ever realized. The breaking point for m

Even simple stuff like finding text on a page... I use the highlighting of occurrences in the scrollbar WAY more than I ever realized. The breaking point for me to go back to Chrome a few months back was Mapbox was chewing up SO MUCH MORE resources in FF. As someone who does a lot of GIS dev in Mapbox that was a no-go =/

Ygg2 7y ago
So, if you had piece of software that worked fine on Windows and ran like crap on Linux, you would blame Linux?
- folkhack 7y ago
  I mean... in some ways yeah? I have to run a dedicated Win10 box because native Office automation is a huge part of what I do. I've had to go to lengths to get the LTSB (and am working on the LTSC) license because it's the only version of Win10 that's controllable + secure. I also have a 2015 MBP for my Adobe Creative Suite workflow. All of my dev infra is Debian 10. Best tool for the job yo. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and use tools that are only 20% performant because "ideals". I'll do my best to switch over (which I did for over a month) and if it's not working out I'm gonna ditch. I have to use Chrome until FF gets on the same level. I'm a startup engineer - I can't afford to neuter my productivity, I have to use the best tool for the job. Time is money. Period.
  - wolco 7y ago
    Different browsers for different tasks. 99% of surfing happens on firefox. Some sites like vimeo only work in chrome.
    - dredmorbius 7y ago
      Vimeo works with youtube-dl. Probably VLC. Video viewing (as opposed to previewing) really belongs outside the browser anyway.
      - folkhack 7y ago
        I'm a heavy YouTube consumer and this just seems like a headache with extra steps/complication, while shooting features like live streaming + chat in the head. Also it's a normal use case to view videos in your browser.
        dredmorbius 7y ago
        I rarely view livestreams, nor use chats. I don't know if there are alternatives to either. Using mps-youtube to search, curate, manage, and play lists of videos, without relying on YouTube's server-side management is a real bonus. Hooking mpv into the stream more smoothly would be useful, and I don't have a good method yet. But given my primary use-case (listening, audio-only), the fact that in the case of video and audio you really can only watch/listen to a single performance at a time, and the fact that in general what's most useful for me is to have a queue of content that I'm going to watch/listen to, in sequence, non-browser tools turn out to be far more useful than browser-based ones. Most especially when you throw auto-play and advertising into the mix, and find yourself with multiple auto-playing tabs amongst ... well, I'm embarassed to say just how many browser tabs I typically have open, but it's a lot. WFM. YMMV.
    - folkhack 7y ago
      Yep - tried going to a hybrid solution but the thing is 80% of my utilization of a browser is working on my startup, with the additional 20% being "general surfing" (ie: reddit, HN, blogs etc.) If my split was different I'd feel quite different about it... I just need Hangouts, Mapbox, YouTube, etc to work 100% of the time without headache. Also running two browsers was difficult because it's like "where's that darn tab!!!" half the time ha. My solution to this crap is to eventually do something like a pihole setup upstream from the browser and call it a day.
- somehnguy 7y ago
  I think this is missing the point. Assigning blame doesn't really matter - one works for his use case and one doesn't. When you're trying to get work done the path of least resistance is more preferable than using software that performs poorly because of your ideals. But to answer your question: If they are based on the same code, yes. I don't see why you wouldn't.
  - feanaro 7y ago
    But they fundamentally cannot be based on the same code if you go deep enough. The system calls / API are different, so the implementations have to diverge at some point.
    - somehnguy 7y ago
      No kidding. That still points the finger at the OS though.
- zrobotics 7y ago
  Historically that has been seen as a Linux issue- while I agree its frustrating that web developers don't always test with Firefox, games/software not working on Linux was something the Linux community tried to fix with projects like WINE. Even now, Valve is doing more work for Linux compatibility for games than most studios.
roca 7y ago
Report the Mapbox issue to Mozilla.

Ygg2 7y ago

So, if you had piece of software that worked fine on Windows and ran like crap on Linux, you would blame Linux?

folkhack 7y ago
I mean... in some ways yeah? I have to run a dedicated Win10 box because native Office automation is a huge part of what I do. I've had to go to lengths to get the LTSB (and am working on the LTSC) license because it's the only version of Win10 that's controllable + secure. I also have a 2015 MBP for my Adobe Creative Suite workflow. All of my dev infra is Debian 10. Best tool for the job yo. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and use tools that are only 20% performant because "ideals". I'll do my best to switch over (which I did for over a month) and if it's not working out I'm gonna ditch. I have to use Chrome until FF gets on the same level. I'm a startup engineer - I can't afford to neuter my productivity, I have to use the best tool for the job. Time is money. Period.
- wolco 7y ago
  Different browsers for different tasks. 99% of surfing happens on firefox. Some sites like vimeo only work in chrome.
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    Vimeo works with youtube-dl. Probably VLC. Video viewing (as opposed to previewing) really belongs outside the browser anyway.
    - folkhack 7y ago
      I'm a heavy YouTube consumer and this just seems like a headache with extra steps/complication, while shooting features like live streaming + chat in the head. Also it's a normal use case to view videos in your browser.
      - dredmorbius 7y ago
        I rarely view livestreams, nor use chats. I don't know if there are alternatives to either. Using mps-youtube to search, curate, manage, and play lists of videos, without relying on YouTube's server-side management is a real bonus. Hooking mpv into the stream more smoothly would be useful, and I don't have a good method yet. But given my primary use-case (listening, audio-only), the fact that in the case of video and audio you really can only watch/listen to a single performance at a time, and the fact that in general what's most useful for me is to have a queue of content that I'm going to watch/listen to, in sequence, non-browser tools turn out to be far more useful than browser-based ones. Most especially when you throw auto-play and advertising into the mix, and find yourself with multiple auto-playing tabs amongst ... well, I'm embarassed to say just how many browser tabs I typically have open, but it's a lot. WFM. YMMV.
  - folkhack 7y ago
    Yep - tried going to a hybrid solution but the thing is 80% of my utilization of a browser is working on my startup, with the additional 20% being "general surfing" (ie: reddit, HN, blogs etc.) If my split was different I'd feel quite different about it... I just need Hangouts, Mapbox, YouTube, etc to work 100% of the time without headache. Also running two browsers was difficult because it's like "where's that darn tab!!!" half the time ha. My solution to this crap is to eventually do something like a pihole setup upstream from the browser and call it a day.
somehnguy 7y ago
I think this is missing the point. Assigning blame doesn't really matter - one works for his use case and one doesn't. When you're trying to get work done the path of least resistance is more preferable than using software that performs poorly because of your ideals. But to answer your question: If they are based on the same code, yes. I don't see why you wouldn't.
- feanaro 7y ago
  But they fundamentally cannot be based on the same code if you go deep enough. The system calls / API are different, so the implementations have to diverge at some point.
  - somehnguy 7y ago
    No kidding. That still points the finger at the OS though.
zrobotics 7y ago
Historically that has been seen as a Linux issue- while I agree its frustrating that web developers don't always test with Firefox, games/software not working on Linux was something the Linux community tried to fix with projects like WINE. Even now, Valve is doing more work for Linux compatibility for games than most studios.

roca 7y ago

Report the Mapbox issue to Mozilla.