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Can you provide a citation of “tons” of pro-nuke Republicans just waiting for Democrats to show up? Is there a bill they have tried to pass while controlling th

Can you provide a citation of “tons” of pro-nuke Republicans just waiting for Democrats to show up? Is there a bill they have tried to pass while controlling the Senate for 9 years? Did they write it into their budgets when they controlled all three branches?

Consultant32452 7y ago
Here's just some of the stuff from the Trump administration and Republicans in the last few years: Adds billions in loan guarantees to build nuclear plants https://www.apnews.com/38189fb0550e401da6b339ad9870a007 https://www.apnews.com/38189fb0550e401da6b339ad9870a007 Signs NEICA https://www.energy.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-bill-boost-advanced-nuclear-america https://www.energy.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-bill-b... Republican bill NELA https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/murkowski-booker-and-13-colleagues-reintroduce https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/murkow... The remaining problems are local/social ones. We need the left to tell the Sierra club and their ilk not to sue every potential nuclear plant into oblivion. Hollywood largely owns the culture, we need them to make pro-nuclear media to help alleviate NIMBYism. The environment is not the GOP's issue. They GOP supports nuclear but without it they will happily keep burning coal. Nobody made the claim that nuclear power was a top priority for Republicans, the claim is that Republicans largely support nuclear and are going to keep burning coal while politely waiting for the Democrats to come around to the only real viable clean grid energy solution.
- gotAnyEvidence 7y ago
  Your quest to make it a left/right issue is belied by the facts. There is no evidence that Democrats are holding these issues back or not willing to sponsor nuclear-related bills. Look at the list of states that run on nuclear, they represent a wide mix of political control, from South Carolina and Mississippi to Illinois and New Jersey. [1] The billions in loan guarantees in your first link was additional funding for a nuclear reactor approved by the Government in 2012, during a Democratic administration. The NEICA was co-sponsored by 4 Republicans and 3 Democrats in the Senate. [2] It passed both houses in a bi-partisan manner. The "Republican bill NELA" has 11 Republican co-sponsors and 9 Democratic co-sponsors. [3] This all seems pretty bi-partisan to me, not sure where you got the idea that Republicans are "politely waiting for Democrats to come around." If that were true, they wouldn't be co-sponsoring and voting for the legislation you mentioned. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/10-states-run-nuclear-power-f169050 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/10-states-run-nuclea... [2] https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/97/cosponsors https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/97/... [3] https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/903/cosponsors?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22s.+903%22%7D&r=2&s=7 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/903...
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/248048/years-three-mile-island-americans-split-nuclear-power.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/248048/years-three-mile-island-... >Republicans (65%) are more likely than Democrats (42%) to favor the use of nuclear power throughout Gallup's trend dating back to 1994. Democrats are now starting to come around. But Republicans have been in favor of nuclear since before you even heard of climate change.
    - gotAnyEvidence 7y ago
      This poll has been shared a number of times in this thread, so I’ve seen it. I’m not sure how it holds more value than actual legislation sponsored and passed. Again, looking at individual states, there a plenty of Democratic controlled ones with significant nuclear production (Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut). Considering how long it takes to build a nuclear plant, that means they must have supported it for pretty long. It’s ok to admit that something isn’t R or D. Republicans support oil and coal most, Dems support wind and solar most, both support nuclear. The Gallup analysis itself talks about the cost of other energy sources playing a part in the perception. As solar, natural gas and oil have become cheaper, expensive nuclear plants have become less popular. Your link about the Georgia plant says it is years behind schedule and costs have doubled, maybe Democrats see that as fiscally irresponsible and that’s why they don’t support it as much. Either way, this simple poll can’t answer those questions and actual legislation tells its own story.
      - Consultant32452 7y ago
        You've moved the goalposts several times now. The only claim I started with is that Republicans, as a group, have supported nuclear for some time while Democrats, as a group, haven't. You then asked me to provide some evidence of specific actions Republicans took, which I provided recent example. Then you complained that some Democrats also supported the thing Republicans did. So I showed data on the general support by party. But now that's not good enough either. Also, legislation isn't the only part of the story, so are lawsuits. Do you think environmentalist groups like the Sierra club who have a history of burying efforts to build plants in lawsuits are more closely associated with Democrats or Republicans?

Consultant32452 7y ago

Here's just some of the stuff from the Trump administration and Republicans in the last few years: Adds billions in loan guarantees to build nuclear plants https://www.apnews.com/38189fb0550e401da6b339ad9870a007 https://www.apnews.com/38189fb0550e401da6b339ad9870a007 Signs NEICA https://www.energy.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-bill-boost-advanced-nuclear-america https://www.energy.gov/articles/president-trump-signs-bill-b... Republican bill NELA https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/murkowski-booker-and-13-colleagues-reintroduce https://www.energy.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/murkow... The remaining problems are local/social ones. We need the left to tell the Sierra club and their ilk not to sue every potential nuclear plant into oblivion. Hollywood largely owns the culture, we need them to make pro-nuclear media to help alleviate NIMBYism. The environment is not the GOP's issue. They GOP supports nuclear but without it they will happily keep burning coal. Nobody made the claim that nuclear power was a top priority for Republicans, the claim is that Republicans largely support nuclear and are going to keep burning coal while politely waiting for the Democrats to come around to the only real viable clean grid energy solution.

gotAnyEvidence 7y ago
Your quest to make it a left/right issue is belied by the facts. There is no evidence that Democrats are holding these issues back or not willing to sponsor nuclear-related bills. Look at the list of states that run on nuclear, they represent a wide mix of political control, from South Carolina and Mississippi to Illinois and New Jersey. [1] The billions in loan guarantees in your first link was additional funding for a nuclear reactor approved by the Government in 2012, during a Democratic administration. The NEICA was co-sponsored by 4 Republicans and 3 Democrats in the Senate. [2] It passed both houses in a bi-partisan manner. The "Republican bill NELA" has 11 Republican co-sponsors and 9 Democratic co-sponsors. [3] This all seems pretty bi-partisan to me, not sure where you got the idea that Republicans are "politely waiting for Democrats to come around." If that were true, they wouldn't be co-sponsoring and voting for the legislation you mentioned. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/10-states-run-nuclear-power-f169050 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/energy/10-states-run-nuclea... [2] https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/97/cosponsors https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/97/... [3] https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/903/cosponsors?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22s.+903%22%7D&r=2&s=7 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/903...
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  https://news.gallup.com/poll/248048/years-three-mile-island-americans-split-nuclear-power.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/248048/years-three-mile-island-... >Republicans (65%) are more likely than Democrats (42%) to favor the use of nuclear power throughout Gallup's trend dating back to 1994. Democrats are now starting to come around. But Republicans have been in favor of nuclear since before you even heard of climate change.
  - gotAnyEvidence 7y ago
    This poll has been shared a number of times in this thread, so I’ve seen it. I’m not sure how it holds more value than actual legislation sponsored and passed. Again, looking at individual states, there a plenty of Democratic controlled ones with significant nuclear production (Illinois, New Jersey, Connecticut). Considering how long it takes to build a nuclear plant, that means they must have supported it for pretty long. It’s ok to admit that something isn’t R or D. Republicans support oil and coal most, Dems support wind and solar most, both support nuclear. The Gallup analysis itself talks about the cost of other energy sources playing a part in the perception. As solar, natural gas and oil have become cheaper, expensive nuclear plants have become less popular. Your link about the Georgia plant says it is years behind schedule and costs have doubled, maybe Democrats see that as fiscally irresponsible and that’s why they don’t support it as much. Either way, this simple poll can’t answer those questions and actual legislation tells its own story.
    - Consultant32452 7y ago
      You've moved the goalposts several times now. The only claim I started with is that Republicans, as a group, have supported nuclear for some time while Democrats, as a group, haven't. You then asked me to provide some evidence of specific actions Republicans took, which I provided recent example. Then you complained that some Democrats also supported the thing Republicans did. So I showed data on the general support by party. But now that's not good enough either. Also, legislation isn't the only part of the story, so are lawsuits. Do you think environmentalist groups like the Sierra club who have a history of burying efforts to build plants in lawsuits are more closely associated with Democrats or Republicans?