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You need to think in terms of a de facto monopoly in this case: https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/de-facto-monopoly/ https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/de-facto

You need to think in terms of a de facto monopoly in this case: https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/de-facto-monopoly/ https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/de-facto-monopoly/ https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/trade_regulation/monopoly_power.htm https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/trade_regul... I don't know if the 69% number from StatCounter would qualify as a de facto monopoly, but it's close to the 75% number quoted in the previous article: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl...

scarface74 7y ago
Well, “de facto” monopoly doesn’t mean anything in the eyes of the law. That’s what de jure means Despite what HN posters believe, the definition of a monopoly isn’t “a company that is big and does things I don’t like”. Also according to your own citation. Under the Sherman Act monopoly power is considered the ability of a business to control a price within its relevant product market or its geographic market or to exclude a competitor from doing business within its relevant product market or geographic market. Where in that act does it say anything about “banning an ad blocker”? It specifically mentions “price”. Are we going to say that the government can tell businesses what is allowed in its own store?
- gtirloni 7y ago
  De facto means something in the eyes of the law. Where did you get it from that it doesn't? > Are we going to say that the government can tell businesses what is allowed in its own store? Yes, we definitely are. If there's a monopoly and the monopolist is blocking people from participating, of course we can get the courts involved. Just google all the antitrust cases about Microsoft, Google and Apple, among others. Re: "price", even if there's no monetary exchange, other goods are being exchanged (personal information, ads, etc).
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Is Google “blocking” anyone from using Firefox, or IE? So now are we just going to make commonly understood words like “price” mean completely random things?
    - gtirloni 7y ago
      Oh jesus, read more about de facto monopolies and antitrust cases please.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Oh yeah, there have been antitrust cases against companies for not distributing software in their store. Despite HN posters opinions, Apple a monopoly isn’t defined by a company not distributing software they want - whether it be Apple or Google.

scarface74 7y ago

Well, “de facto” monopoly doesn’t mean anything in the eyes of the law. That’s what de jure means Despite what HN posters believe, the definition of a monopoly isn’t “a company that is big and does things I don’t like”. Also according to your own citation. Under the Sherman Act monopoly power is considered the ability of a business to control a price within its relevant product market or its geographic market or to exclude a competitor from doing business within its relevant product market or geographic market. Where in that act does it say anything about “banning an ad blocker”? It specifically mentions “price”. Are we going to say that the government can tell businesses what is allowed in its own store?

gtirloni 7y ago
De facto means something in the eyes of the law. Where did you get it from that it doesn't? > Are we going to say that the government can tell businesses what is allowed in its own store? Yes, we definitely are. If there's a monopoly and the monopolist is blocking people from participating, of course we can get the courts involved. Just google all the antitrust cases about Microsoft, Google and Apple, among others. Re: "price", even if there's no monetary exchange, other goods are being exchanged (personal information, ads, etc).
- scarface74 7y ago
  Is Google “blocking” anyone from using Firefox, or IE? So now are we just going to make commonly understood words like “price” mean completely random things?
  - gtirloni 7y ago
    Oh jesus, read more about de facto monopolies and antitrust cases please.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Oh yeah, there have been antitrust cases against companies for not distributing software in their store. Despite HN posters opinions, Apple a monopoly isn’t defined by a company not distributing software they want - whether it be Apple or Google.