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Yes, NASA was funded to collect the actual data until Trump arrived. The facts don’t care if you don’t like them and they don’t go away if you cover your eyes l

Yes, NASA was funded to collect the actual data until Trump arrived. The facts don’t care if you don’t like them and they don’t go away if you cover your eyes like a child and pretend they’re not there.

LessDmesg 7y ago
The facts are that nobody knows how climate works and there is no proof that humanity controls climate. The facts are that there is a large propaganda machine in the media using dirty tactics (e.g. a mentally ill child) to spread fearmongering and doomsday bullcrap. The facts are that there is big money behind this climate religion that has nothing to do with helping the environment (reality check: carbon dioxide is a benign gas and not a pollutant).
- katbyte 7y ago
  Oddly I think it’s you who have fallen pray to propaganda. (Ps calling her mentally ill when she is clearly not does nothing for your position)
  - LessDmesg 7y ago
    Here, educate yourself: > Four years ago, she was diagnosed with Asperger’s, on the autism spectrum https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/greta-thunberg-autism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/greta-... Just watching any of her public speeches makes obvious that she is a poor ill person. And as they say, whenever the government wants to make some especially heinous laws, they use children. It's especially disgusting to see the media use a mentally ill child to further its agenda, but the fact remains.
    - ocschwar 7y ago
      Do you know just how many users here are also tagged with the scarlet 'A'?
- DFHippie 7y ago
  If you call someone "mentally ill" you are implying they do not make decisions rationally. Do you believe this about people with Aspbergers? If you do not, why is it relevant that she was so diagnosed? There are many incidental characteristics of Greta Thunberg that Fox News might have chosen to emphasize: she likes horizontal stripes, perhaps, or she wears her hair in a braid. Why didn't these become what they focused on? Do you suppose they think aspies are irrational? Immoral? Amoral? Or do you suppose they think people will hear "mentally ill" and think these things. If it's the latter, it's dishonest and libel.
- gerbilly 7y ago
  > The facts are that nobody knows how climate works No the facts appear to be that you don't know how climate works. Why are you so passionate about this issue, what's in it for you anyway? Do you stand to make millions off of oil and gas? If not, why are you arguing for the side that wants to let the world burn?
- kaybe 7y ago
  Have a look yourself in a model created from physical principles: https://www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/en/arbeitsgruppen/theoretische-meteorologie/modelle/plasim.html https://www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/en/arbeitsgruppen/theoretische... (Expect a stationary state to take at least 50 years to run after starting or disturbance (such as changing incoming radiation or CO2) since the ocean model is a mixed layer and takes a while to equilibrate. In the real world the ocean mixing time is ~1000 years though.)
- playing_colours 7y ago
  I like what Eric Weinstein said about climate change: The fact that we do not have much historical data and good verifiable models to understand how the planet climate behaves under large changes in parameters (CO2 emission, etc.) makes it even more important and urgent to act. We never know at what moment the system will cross the threshold, and damage becomes irreversible, and planet destruction accelerates.

LessDmesg 7y ago

The facts are that nobody knows how climate works and there is no proof that humanity controls climate. The facts are that there is a large propaganda machine in the media using dirty tactics (e.g. a mentally ill child) to spread fearmongering and doomsday bullcrap. The facts are that there is big money behind this climate religion that has nothing to do with helping the environment (reality check: carbon dioxide is a benign gas and not a pollutant).

katbyte 7y ago
Oddly I think it’s you who have fallen pray to propaganda. (Ps calling her mentally ill when she is clearly not does nothing for your position)
- LessDmesg 7y ago
  Here, educate yourself: > Four years ago, she was diagnosed with Asperger’s, on the autism spectrum https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/greta-thunberg-autism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/23/greta-... Just watching any of her public speeches makes obvious that she is a poor ill person. And as they say, whenever the government wants to make some especially heinous laws, they use children. It's especially disgusting to see the media use a mentally ill child to further its agenda, but the fact remains.
  - ocschwar 7y ago
    Do you know just how many users here are also tagged with the scarlet 'A'?
DFHippie 7y ago
If you call someone "mentally ill" you are implying they do not make decisions rationally. Do you believe this about people with Aspbergers? If you do not, why is it relevant that she was so diagnosed? There are many incidental characteristics of Greta Thunberg that Fox News might have chosen to emphasize: she likes horizontal stripes, perhaps, or she wears her hair in a braid. Why didn't these become what they focused on? Do you suppose they think aspies are irrational? Immoral? Amoral? Or do you suppose they think people will hear "mentally ill" and think these things. If it's the latter, it's dishonest and libel.
gerbilly 7y ago
> The facts are that nobody knows how climate works No the facts appear to be that you don't know how climate works. Why are you so passionate about this issue, what's in it for you anyway? Do you stand to make millions off of oil and gas? If not, why are you arguing for the side that wants to let the world burn?
kaybe 7y ago
Have a look yourself in a model created from physical principles: https://www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/en/arbeitsgruppen/theoretische-meteorologie/modelle/plasim.html https://www.mi.uni-hamburg.de/en/arbeitsgruppen/theoretische... (Expect a stationary state to take at least 50 years to run after starting or disturbance (such as changing incoming radiation or CO2) since the ocean model is a mixed layer and takes a while to equilibrate. In the real world the ocean mixing time is ~1000 years though.)
playing_colours 7y ago
I like what Eric Weinstein said about climate change: The fact that we do not have much historical data and good verifiable models to understand how the planet climate behaves under large changes in parameters (CO2 emission, etc.) makes it even more important and urgent to act. We never know at what moment the system will cross the threshold, and damage becomes irreversible, and planet destruction accelerates.