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> a problem of unbounded complexity A loosely used term here. Especially in terms of it's practical meaning, not theoretical. In this sense, both Dota and Star

> a problem of unbounded complexity A loosely used term here. Especially in terms of it's practical meaning, not theoretical. In this sense, both Dota and Starcraft II were also problems of unbounded complexity, and Alphastar is doing pretty good there. > nothing short of AGI will get us close to the current below-average human driver What are you basing this assumption on? Most prominent scientists in this field don't seem to be agreeing with it. It is by no means self-evident or backed by any substantial direct evidence. More generally, I just can't understand this attitude you have. How does your thinking process work here, what is that attitude good for and where is it coming from? Here we have world's brightest people trying to tackle a very important and useful problem, it's hard to know when it will be tackled, but it seems it will be eventually. Some people are disagreeing about when it will happen (perhaps you think it will not be for a 100 years), but at least they are doing something and are making progress. Investors similarly know that it is a hard problem and no one knows when it will be done, but they want to give their money for this problem. And here you are just complaining about the whole situation? What would you have all these actors do, just do nothing? Stop making these cars? Stop trying to solve the problem, stop bringing the progress forward? Or what, working on it in secret and never telling anyone so that god forbid any one person would ever happen to see their presentation and build a faulty (a too optimistic) view on the current state of the technology? Where is your negativity and sarcasm coming from?

seibelj 7y ago
Starcraft bot and a self driving car are not even remotely close to the same problem
- the8472 7y ago
  Starcraft involves an actively hostile, adapting opponent. Daily traffic generally does not and when it does they are liable for any resulting damages, not you.
baybal2 7y ago
> Here we have world's brightest people trying to tackle a very important and useful problem, No you don't, but world's best paid people are working in it for sure =D The "AI industry" has a problem. Every few weeks there comes a "big name AI researcher" and call solving another "world's biggest problem," but a 5 minute research into his claim would, yet again, reveal just a hello world on opencv. This is from where the negativity towards the ai industry is coming from. Saying that you have "world's brightest people" sounds like a big stretch to an industry outsider, and plainly funny to people with some solid level of computer literacy.
- Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
  I haven't heard of any anecdotes in the form of a big new breakthrough being a HelloWorld in opencv, and I think that any such cases can be more readily blamed on the media and bloggers inflating the actual research papers or results than actual scientists and engineers. But let's say you have experienced such episodes. So now what, what is your point, what is your goal, what is your vision for this field? What would you have happened better? To just complain about it? Should they stop working on self-driving cars? Should they stop sending press-releases, should they stop selling cars with this functionality, what is it that you want? Do you want them to be paid less? I actually don't understand. What would be your best scenario for this field that would be better than what is going on right now (that big players and many of the brightest (and yes well-paid) data scientists are working on making a safe self-driving car a reality, while many investors are believing in it and are voting with their dollars)?
  - baybal2 7y ago
    I have no suggestions for you

seibelj 7y ago

Starcraft bot and a self driving car are not even remotely close to the same problem

the8472 7y ago
Starcraft involves an actively hostile, adapting opponent. Daily traffic generally does not and when it does they are liable for any resulting damages, not you.

baybal2 7y ago

> Here we have world's brightest people trying to tackle a very important and useful problem, No you don't, but world's best paid people are working in it for sure =D The "AI industry" has a problem. Every few weeks there comes a "big name AI researcher" and call solving another "world's biggest problem," but a 5 minute research into his claim would, yet again, reveal just a hello world on opencv. This is from where the negativity towards the ai industry is coming from. Saying that you have "world's brightest people" sounds like a big stretch to an industry outsider, and plainly funny to people with some solid level of computer literacy.

Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
I haven't heard of any anecdotes in the form of a big new breakthrough being a HelloWorld in opencv, and I think that any such cases can be more readily blamed on the media and bloggers inflating the actual research papers or results than actual scientists and engineers. But let's say you have experienced such episodes. So now what, what is your point, what is your goal, what is your vision for this field? What would you have happened better? To just complain about it? Should they stop working on self-driving cars? Should they stop sending press-releases, should they stop selling cars with this functionality, what is it that you want? Do you want them to be paid less? I actually don't understand. What would be your best scenario for this field that would be better than what is going on right now (that big players and many of the brightest (and yes well-paid) data scientists are working on making a safe self-driving car a reality, while many investors are believing in it and are voting with their dollars)?
- baybal2 7y ago
  I have no suggestions for you