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Unfortunately, Apple's Chinese employees can't expect the same quality of treatment as their coworkers in America and Europe. The CCP allows this, and Apple (an

by dtwest 7y ago

Unfortunately, Apple's Chinese employees can't expect the same quality of treatment as their coworkers in America and Europe. The CCP allows this, and Apple (and the CCP) takes full advantage. What does your nationality or your wife have to do with this? The Brits have an illustrious history of treating Chinese people well. Or all 'furriners' for that matter. But mocking Americans is much more fun than paying attention to any of that.

yourbandsucks 7y ago
You're eliding the part where said employees are often one generation away from subsistence farming and this is a step up for them. That's how it happened in the west, too, no? Textile mills? I'm not saying anything about morality but it sounds standard to me.
vntx 7y ago
>> “The Brits have an illustrious history of treating Chinese people well.” Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but you might have forgotten about the Opium Wars where no sides treated each other well, the Brits included.
simonh 7y ago
Interesting. Redirection to discussing Chinese employment law. Redirection to talk about my nationality (which I just gave to give context for having a different view on moral treatment of Americans versus seemingly everyone else), and misdirection to a jab at British treatment of China in history. Do you actually have any real point to make about the substance of my comment? Accusing someone of having no interest above self interest, simply because they employ people in another country, is utterly morally bankrupt. Discuss.
- dtwest 7y ago
  The original commenter is specifically objecting to outsourcing high tech manufacturing to a country with an authoritarian government. You are ignoring this point, and suggesting that the original commenter is morally bankrupt for hating foreigners. You are going after them for things they didn't explicitly say. In my opinion, the real choice isn't between producing in China and producing in America. It is between China and countries like India or Brazil. If India is a democracy, has better labor laws than China, has more respect for free speech, then moving production to India is less likely to have negative externalities than China.

by dtwest 7y ago

yourbandsucks 7y ago

You're eliding the part where said employees are often one generation away from subsistence farming and this is a step up for them. That's how it happened in the west, too, no? Textile mills? I'm not saying anything about morality but it sounds standard to me.

vntx 7y ago

>> “The Brits have an illustrious history of treating Chinese people well.” Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but you might have forgotten about the Opium Wars where no sides treated each other well, the Brits included.

simonh 7y ago

Interesting. Redirection to discussing Chinese employment law. Redirection to talk about my nationality (which I just gave to give context for having a different view on moral treatment of Americans versus seemingly everyone else), and misdirection to a jab at British treatment of China in history. Do you actually have any real point to make about the substance of my comment? Accusing someone of having no interest above self interest, simply because they employ people in another country, is utterly morally bankrupt. Discuss.

dtwest 7y ago
The original commenter is specifically objecting to outsourcing high tech manufacturing to a country with an authoritarian government. You are ignoring this point, and suggesting that the original commenter is morally bankrupt for hating foreigners. You are going after them for things they didn't explicitly say. In my opinion, the real choice isn't between producing in China and producing in America. It is between China and countries like India or Brazil. If India is a democracy, has better labor laws than China, has more respect for free speech, then moving production to India is less likely to have negative externalities than China.