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There are a LOT of things like that. Travel is a good example. For people making a living wage, some think “I don’t have the money to travel.” Then when they h

There are a LOT of things like that. Travel is a good example. For people making a living wage, some think “I don’t have the money to travel.” Then when they have the money, they think “I don’t have the time to travel.” They don’t really travel until they retire, and then they have trouble going anywhere that isn’t friendly to their knees and faltering eyesight, so they buy an RV. Others travel in college from hostel to hostel. When they get work, they negotiate longer vacations to travel, or they deliberately become giggers so they can travel. I met a couple in Thailand who climbed, they worked five months a year around the clock as nurses, and climbed seven months a year literally everywhere. They lived on the cheap so they would have more climbing days. I have similar stories about people who ride bicycles and dive. If you are passionate, don’t wait for some magical day when you can fly the Concorde to go climbing in Europe with your friends (true story about some Yosemite dirtbags who came into illicit cash). If you’re passionate about a thing, go do that thing. Now.

mikepurvis 7y ago
Link for the lazy: https://www.thecannachronicles.com/the-dirtbags-of-dope-lake-1976/ https://www.thecannachronicles.com/the-dirtbags-of-dope-lake... This is discussed in the Valley Uprising documentary as well (the whole doc is amazing and definitely worth your time).
- braythwayt 7y ago
  I haven't checked your link, but John Long told the story in one of his many autobiographical books. He also was credited with the story idea that became the Sylvester Stallone climbing action movie "Cliffhanger," and that is loosely based on the incident.
  - mikepurvis 7y ago
    Oh yeah, I'm definitely not providing the definitive or original account, just throwing out a decent overview for anyone interested in more details.
    - braythwayt 7y ago
      Your link provides a number of details I do not recall from John Long’s account. Thank you. On the other hand, John Long is a raconteur par excellence, and I recommend all of his books as entertaining reading about an important time in climbing history. —— One thing Long wrote/claimed that is not mentioned in the linked post is that two of the dirtbags involved leveraged their haul into an ongoing drug-dealing business. Until they were found, shot dead, in their home.
badfrog 7y ago
> they negotiate longer vacations to travel Does that work? I've tried to negotiate more vacation days with every job offer I've received, and it's never worked.
- paulsutter 7y ago
  A friend of mine told his boss “I’m going traveling for three months starting in January. Am I quitting or just taking a leave of absence?”. It worked. To negotiate more vacation days at hiring, you need multiple offers. Then you can tell them “I will accept your offer if it includes six weeks of vacation. Otherwise I’m going to Facebook”. It probably means negotiating a little less hard on pay since you need to focus to get it. But that’s probably fair.
  - badfrog 7y ago
    > Then you can tell them “I will accept your offer if it includes six weeks of vacation. Otherwise I’m going to Facebook” I've used that exact line, and they didn't budge, so I went to Facebook. I guess everywhere I've applied is large tech companies. It might work better at smaller firms.
    - paulsutter 7y ago
      Negotiation is never a sure thing. Don’t say it unless you mean it, it can always go either way.
    - lonelappde 7y ago
      Facebook budged, and Facebook is a big tech company.
      - SomeOtherThrow 7y ago
        They won’t ever “budge” all the way up to your actual worth though, you just went from 10% of your worth to 12%.
      - badfrog 7y ago
vchak1 7y ago
We want our employees to live first, work second. So we have set it up so people can work from anywhere, and they do. A lot of employees go and work from interesting travel places for a few weeks or months.

mikepurvis 7y ago

Link for the lazy: https://www.thecannachronicles.com/the-dirtbags-of-dope-lake-1976/ https://www.thecannachronicles.com/the-dirtbags-of-dope-lake... This is discussed in the Valley Uprising documentary as well (the whole doc is amazing and definitely worth your time).

braythwayt 7y ago
I haven't checked your link, but John Long told the story in one of his many autobiographical books. He also was credited with the story idea that became the Sylvester Stallone climbing action movie "Cliffhanger," and that is loosely based on the incident.
- mikepurvis 7y ago
  Oh yeah, I'm definitely not providing the definitive or original account, just throwing out a decent overview for anyone interested in more details.
  - braythwayt 7y ago
    Your link provides a number of details I do not recall from John Long’s account. Thank you. On the other hand, John Long is a raconteur par excellence, and I recommend all of his books as entertaining reading about an important time in climbing history. —— One thing Long wrote/claimed that is not mentioned in the linked post is that two of the dirtbags involved leveraged their haul into an ongoing drug-dealing business. Until they were found, shot dead, in their home.

badfrog 7y ago

> they negotiate longer vacations to travel Does that work? I've tried to negotiate more vacation days with every job offer I've received, and it's never worked.

paulsutter 7y ago
A friend of mine told his boss “I’m going traveling for three months starting in January. Am I quitting or just taking a leave of absence?”. It worked. To negotiate more vacation days at hiring, you need multiple offers. Then you can tell them “I will accept your offer if it includes six weeks of vacation. Otherwise I’m going to Facebook”. It probably means negotiating a little less hard on pay since you need to focus to get it. But that’s probably fair.
- badfrog 7y ago
  > Then you can tell them “I will accept your offer if it includes six weeks of vacation. Otherwise I’m going to Facebook” I've used that exact line, and they didn't budge, so I went to Facebook. I guess everywhere I've applied is large tech companies. It might work better at smaller firms.
  - paulsutter 7y ago
    Negotiation is never a sure thing. Don’t say it unless you mean it, it can always go either way.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Facebook budged, and Facebook is a big tech company.
    - SomeOtherThrow 7y ago
      They won’t ever “budge” all the way up to your actual worth though, you just went from 10% of your worth to 12%.
    - badfrog 7y ago

vchak1 7y ago

We want our employees to live first, work second. So we have set it up so people can work from anywhere, and they do. A lot of employees go and work from interesting travel places for a few weeks or months.