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>Somehow shilling for Pepsi is widely accepted, but shilling for China is too far? Uhh yes? That's a completely valid line of acceptance for people to have. On

>Somehow shilling for Pepsi is widely accepted, but shilling for China is too far? Uhh yes? That's a completely valid line of acceptance for people to have. One of those things harvests organs out of people in concentration camps. How is this confusing?

anon9001 7y ago
Yeah and the other one uses child labor to harvest palm oil (or did until very recently). The bigger the organization, the more likely you're going to find some bad stuff. Apple's got worker suicides. China has probably harvested organs from prisoners. None of it's great, but I don't really know how to judge how bad China is proportionally. How many organs would they have to harvest to be comparable to how many children were forced to harvest oil for PepsiCo?
scilro 7y ago
The abuses in Xinjiang are real, but we do the Muslims there a disservice if we share actual fake news. The organ harvesting story was made up. https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harvesting-cult-falun-gong/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve...
sadris 7y ago
They're not harvesting organs. Criminals who are executed have their organs not go to waste in a coffin. It's not like they're taking everyone's second kidney.
- chillacy 7y ago
  I think it's problematic because it creates perverse incentives to make more criminals. And there are religious / moral concerns about taking parts of your body after you die without consent. But I also understand that the biggest objections are the religious / moral ones, and I don't know maybe that doesn't bother people as much in China?
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    > I think it's problematic because it creates perverse incentives to make more criminals. We have this issue all over the US. Private prison contracts often have a "minimum filled cell" clause that causes penalties to the city/county/state if there are too _few_ people incarcerated.

anon9001 7y ago

Yeah and the other one uses child labor to harvest palm oil (or did until very recently). The bigger the organization, the more likely you're going to find some bad stuff. Apple's got worker suicides. China has probably harvested organs from prisoners. None of it's great, but I don't really know how to judge how bad China is proportionally. How many organs would they have to harvest to be comparable to how many children were forced to harvest oil for PepsiCo?

scilro 7y ago

The abuses in Xinjiang are real, but we do the Muslims there a disservice if we share actual fake news. The organ harvesting story was made up. https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harvesting-cult-falun-gong/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve...

sadris 7y ago

They're not harvesting organs. Criminals who are executed have their organs not go to waste in a coffin. It's not like they're taking everyone's second kidney.

chillacy 7y ago
I think it's problematic because it creates perverse incentives to make more criminals. And there are religious / moral concerns about taking parts of your body after you die without consent. But I also understand that the biggest objections are the religious / moral ones, and I don't know maybe that doesn't bother people as much in China?
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  > I think it's problematic because it creates perverse incentives to make more criminals. We have this issue all over the US. Private prison contracts often have a "minimum filled cell" clause that causes penalties to the city/county/state if there are too _few_ people incarcerated.