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I have earned many thumbs down on the net for saying that Apple can't write software for shit. Apple is a design company, they make nice hardware, nice really

I have earned many thumbs down on the net for saying that Apple can't write software for shit. Apple is a design company, they make nice hardware, nice really looking hardware and sometimes performing hardware. That's it, a nice hardware design company. There software is straight up garbage and has been for a long time. Just as I have always been suspicious of those whose main OS is windows and they are not writing native windows app, I'm suspicious of those who use Apple if there full time job is not developing iOS apps. I do own a used Mac mini I bought a few years ago for the solo purpose of developing iOS apps. First time I ever upgraded it after being annoyed to death, it trashed the system and I had to do a fresh reinstall.

blub 7y ago
Blaming "the company" for bugs in complex human-machine systems doesn't really say anything insightful, actionable or useful. Android, Linux, Windows, macOS and iOS are all broken, just in different ways. This is the quality that can be reached for mass-market consumer products with the standard development processes.
- auggierose 7y ago
  Yeah, good point. I am quite happy with Catalina so far so I have battled through a few issues. I think people basically have no idea what it takes to deliver perfectly functioning software. Basically, you need to combine user testing, design and theorem proving. It would be just too costly even for Apple.
zaphirplane 7y ago
You know I thought apple’s innovation is a hype part of jobs reality distortion field. Then I compared iPhone and android the ux and form innovations start with Apple and are borrowed by android. Same for OS X and windows, specially the gestures and form it’s flowing from Apple.
xvector 7y ago
IMO Apple usually makes good software. That’s why the Catalina release is a big deal. If Apple made shit software this story would be background noise, but it is surprising to see a company that usually delivers relatively polished experiences do this.
vbezhenar 7y ago
I have a completely opposite opinion. I love macOS, I love iOS. But I think that Apple's devices are garbage. I don't like any current Apple device. None. The only reason I'm still using iPhone and I'm still considering to buy Mac is their software. iOS is better than Android and macOS is better than Windows or Linux. Also, I guess, they produce good design. Their products look good, that's true. Too bad, that I don't care about looks at all.

blub 7y ago

Blaming "the company" for bugs in complex human-machine systems doesn't really say anything insightful, actionable or useful. Android, Linux, Windows, macOS and iOS are all broken, just in different ways. This is the quality that can be reached for mass-market consumer products with the standard development processes.

auggierose 7y ago
Yeah, good point. I am quite happy with Catalina so far so I have battled through a few issues. I think people basically have no idea what it takes to deliver perfectly functioning software. Basically, you need to combine user testing, design and theorem proving. It would be just too costly even for Apple.

zaphirplane 7y ago

You know I thought apple’s innovation is a hype part of jobs reality distortion field. Then I compared iPhone and android the ux and form innovations start with Apple and are borrowed by android. Same for OS X and windows, specially the gestures and form it’s flowing from Apple.

xvector 7y ago

IMO Apple usually makes good software. That’s why the Catalina release is a big deal. If Apple made shit software this story would be background noise, but it is surprising to see a company that usually delivers relatively polished experiences do this.

vbezhenar 7y ago

I have a completely opposite opinion. I love macOS, I love iOS. But I think that Apple's devices are garbage. I don't like any current Apple device. None. The only reason I'm still using iPhone and I'm still considering to buy Mac is their software. iOS is better than Android and macOS is better than Windows or Linux. Also, I guess, they produce good design. Their products look good, that's true. Too bad, that I don't care about looks at all.